Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

Hi Guys....and ladies,

I just thought that he most maligned of "Bay Leaves" firms (isn't that fragrant enough for you?) Marston, has the most up to date fees and charges available.

Please do trust me, thay are right, but when it conmes to TMA issues you will have to look at the individual Authorities via Google because the charges do vary (a lot as well)

However, here it is:

http://www.marstongroup.co.uk/fees-and-charges/

In my opinion the "new" guys (at least at the top and hopefully meaning it) are trying to clean up the business of "bailiffing" and implement the guidelines that are in place from various Agencies.

[labman]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

I think people need to understand they will see more complaints about Marstons than anyone else on here, as Marstons have about 70% of the total market. :beagle:


A major problem with the TMA is that it leaves too much leaway for LA's, and to be fair, most LA's I know of charge around £60 for a PCN, though others here will have had different experiences.

I should point out, for the sake of accuracy, the PCN has not totally replaced the FPN. When parkiing was, on the whole, decriminalised PCN's came into being. The FPN can still be given if you are 'done' for parking by a policeman. It brings about the strange issue that the exact same offence can be either civil or criminal, depending on who issues the ticket.

A very useful post Sir V though, thank you. (I still think the ATR charge stinks though - it is a way purely to push up the cost).

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

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As an ex-black rat I sort of agree with you, yet disagree....let me explain.

I would have issued a FPN not to all cars parked on doubles or singles (not permitted hours), but if a vehicle caused an obstruction I would, even if parked where no road markings are available, say too close to a junction or far too far from the Kerb....now they have a new rule about the last nbit, I think they call it abandonment.

Howerver, if you think about it FPN not paid £45, plus bailiff letter £85, plus bailiff attendance £215 = £345.00 and the bailiff has the trump card of forced enty to levy distress and until the distress warrant is paid it stays until one dies.

PCN £90, first letter £13.44, First visit £33.60 and say ATR which maximum is £210 = £347.04 but the bailiff has no power of entry whatsoever. If your car is on the never-never, even if the fees escalate say by another £120, after 365 days the Warrant of execution is null and void.

[bluebottle]

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Why is it that the Black Rats is the one part of the police force coppers fight tooth and nail to get into, yet is one of the most hated, Sir Vere? They were loathed when I was in the Met. However, having said that, we had an ex-Black Rat join our relief on division. Although we asked him a number of times why he had come onto division from the Black Rats, he wouldn't tell us. Then, one Night Relief, he didn't turn up for parade. When we went round to his home and couldn't get any answer, we forced entry and found him swinging from the bannisters. The note we found said it all. He had been to a multiple RTC on the M1 whilst with the Black Rats and had seen something so horrific, it disturbed him. Although he transferred to division to avoid a repetition, what he had seen had affected him so badly, he lead to him taking his own life. These days, thankfully, the likelihood of something similar happening has been greatly reduced by the use of de-briefing.

[labman]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

That's terrible!

[CleverClogs]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

However, here it is:

http://www.marstongroup.co.uk/fees-and-charges/

In my opinion the "new" guys (at least at the top and hopefully meaning it) are trying to clean up the business of "bailiffing" and implement the guidelines that are in place from various Agencies.

Really?

I would be most grateful if you could explain which law or enactment might allow a bailiff or bailiff company to charge :

• £375 for an initial visit
• £37 for a dishonoured cheque,
• 3% for credit card transactions
• £1 per debit card transaction,
• up to £30 for a HPI vehicle check
• for "Attendance To Remove" fees to be charged on the same visit as a levy fee
• for "tracing fees" to be added to a debt.

[labman]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

I would be most grateful if you could explain which law or enactment might allow a bailiff or bailiff company to charge :

• £375 for an initial visit £375? I can get £85 when they take on the account and £215 for the first attendance = £300. Where's the other £75?
• £37 for a dishonoured cheque, Can't be charged lawfully, though most try to. They can use the excuse of defaulting on your agreement to visit your home again with a view to removing levied goods which can result in further van fees etc...
• 3% for credit card transactions Bailiffs will say this is part of the agreed contract, which does not override statute.

• £1 per debit card transaction, As above

• up to £30 for a HPI vehicle check As above

• for "Attendance To Remove" fees to be charged on the same visit as a levy fee Tricky - there is a legitimate way round this, but I'm not going to post here for obvious reasons. As a general rule it should NOT, IMO, be applied.

• for "tracing fees" to be added to a debt. Unlawful as far as I know

It would be very interesting to hear ANY argument for the legitimate charging of these fees, even if people are only playing devil's advocate.

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

Really?

I would be most grateful if you could explain which law or enactment might allow a bailiff or bailiff company to charge :

• £375 for an initial visit
• £37 for a dishonoured cheque,
• 3% for credit card transactions
• £1 per debit card transaction,
• up to £30 for a HPI vehicle check
• for "Attendance To Remove" fees to be charged on the same visit as a levy fee
• for "tracing fees" to be added to a debt.

I do not see where you got £375 from for a first visit, however, the fees published by marston, which vary between "Warrants" and "Orders" are all agreed between the "Industry" and the "Client"...all are approved by the Lord Chancellor....who by the way....was not "blue" when these were set in stone.

Your Royal Highnesses, Milords, Miladies, Ladies , gentlemen, freemen and serves of this Mighty Country by the Grace of God: that's the rules, accept them or face the consequences.

[Sir Vere Brayne d'Emmidge]

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Why is it that the Black Rats is the one part of the police force coppers fight tooth and nail to get into (because you get to drive fast cars, ride motorcycles at breakneck speed, you are given a whitening toothpate that must be used every 2 hours, if you ride a bike you get free kinky leathers, and if you drive a fast car you are not concerned about MPG and the hole the size of the Bermuda Triangle appearing in your bank account.......black rats second best job in the force...top job?...Helicopter pilot!)

yet is one of the most hated,(because they would give a ticket to their mothers on her second offence....and anybody else on the first...a colleage of mine, bless his soul (got killed in a motorcycle accident after retiring, gave a ticket to some Royal on the A149 at Sandringham)

Sir Vere? They were loathed when I was in the Met. However, having said that, we had an ex-Black Rat join our relief on division. Although we asked him a number of times why he had come onto division from the Black Rats, he wouldn't tell us. Then, one Night Relief, he didn't turn up for parade. When we went round to his home and couldn't get any answer, we forced entry and found him swinging from the bannisters. The note we found said it all. He had been to a multiple RTC on the M1 whilst with the Black Rats and had seen something so horrific, it disturbed him. Although he transferred to division to avoid a repetition, what he had seen had affected him so badly, he lead to him taking his own life. These days, thankfully, the likelihood of something similar happening has been greatly reduced by the use of de-briefing.

I hate the term RTC, although somebody....don't ask me who....said that accidents do not happen they are made...same as killed by accident by a falling piece of "Sputnik"...see if you can sue the CCCP!

However, if there is a nieche in this forum where one can post a little biography let me know, I will enlighten you....as Mr Edison used to say!

[bluebottle]

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I hate the term RTC, although somebody....don't ask me who....said that accidents do not happen they are made...same as killed by accident by a falling piece of "Sputnik"...see if you can sue the CCCP!

However, if there is a nieche in this forum where one can post a little biography let me know, I will enlighten you....as Mr Edison used to say!

I think you've confirmed much of what I suspected and learned about Black Rats while I was in the job!

[bluebottle]

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Someone is ringing me from HMCTS sometime this week after a long wait for clarification on some issues relating to enforcement of unpaid magistrates court fines. I'll run the fees past them, if the rest of you are agreeable, see what HMCTS have to say.

[labman]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

I do not see where you got £375 from for a first visit, however, the fees published by marston, which vary between "Warrants" and "Orders" are all agreed between the "Industry" and the "Client"...all are approved by the Lord Chancellor....who by the way....was not "blue" when these were set in stone.

Your Royal Highnesses, Milords, Miladies, Ladies , gentlemen, freemen and serves of this Mighty Country by the Grace of God: that's the rules, accept them or face the consequences.

That is the problem - they're agreed fees, they cannot (in theory) override legislation. Whether they do or not is another issue altogether, I grant you that. :beagle:

[bizzybob]

Re: Most maligned bailiff firm has most up to date information

That is the problem - they're agreed fees, they cannot (in theory) override legislation. Whether they do or not is another issue altogether, I grant you that. :beagle:

If they are merely agreed or contracural in naturewithout force of Statute, they may well be unlawful. That is for a test case