Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

[nina698]

About 3 weeks ago my mom was over from Ireland and staying with me as I was in hospital with my 5 week old baby.
the door knocked she opened it a man put his foot and arm in the door and held it open and said he had a warrant for me ,my mom confirmed i was not home but they said they had a warrant and needed to come in and search the property,obviously my mom was very worried now so let them in.
once inside they then revealed they were bailiffs to collect for a parking fine from June 2012 from a previous address ,I was totally unaware of this ticket as i left that address also in June ,I reckon a friend must of got the ticket and not informed me of it,
Anyway they then went round the whole property writing things down what they were going to take ,
they got my mom to sign the document .the forms they left behind are unreadable as I don't think they must of put he carbon paper in,
they then returned last week when I was not home and left a letter saying they had come to collect the goods and that the bill for the 1 £60 parking ticket is now £648
i have couple of questions,
firstly can they lie to get in the property
if i did not know this parking ticket existed can this happen
how can my mom sign a form to say they can remove MY PROPERTY my mom has never even lived with me.
i have tried to phone them to sort this out they said i would have to pay £30 a week to stop them removing my property i explained I am not working have a 8 week old baby and only got £70 a week benefit money they replied with well you'll still have £30 left then won't you
Has any one got any advice on how to deal with this please.

[bizzybob]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

If the bailiffs appearance was the first you knew, and it is a council PCN rather than a police FPN. then you may be able to put in an out of time at the Northampton TEC, other Beagles better versed in this will know,
the number is 08457 045 007 and if you go to the website and download Forms TE7 & TE9 fill them in with something along the lines of:

I was unable to file this statement within time because it was not until a bailiff company turned up in my absence and persuaded my mother to let them in that I was made aware that all statutory notices had been sent to my previous address at ( put previous address).

You need to sign the TE7 & TE 9 and scan or fax a copy to TEC by Monday morning.

Other Beagles will be along soon to help, , the bailiffs probably misrepresented their powers, Busted & Stupid are known to be habitual liars .Did they at any time intimate to your mother that they may "arrest" you, if so a Formal Complaint to the council who are responsible for their agents actions would be a good thing to do after dealing with the TE7 & 9

[Qpips]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

OMG! When will these illegal and imoral balliff practices be stopped

[CleverClogs]

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OMG! When will these illegal and immoral bailiff practices be stopped

Shortly after zebras are discovered on the moon?

As long as certificated bailiffs exist and regardless of whether or not they are "regulated", such abuses will continue.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

About 3 weeks ago my mom was over from Ireland and staying with me as I was in hospital with my 5 week old baby.
the door knocked she opened it a man put his foot and arm in the door and held it open

Thereby entering by force.

That renders all their subsequent actions invalid.

and said he had a warrant for me ,my mom confirmed i was not home but they said they had a warrant and needed to come in and search the property,obviously my mom was very worried now so let them in.

No, she did not; by holding the door open, they had already entered by force.

they then returned last week when I was not home and left a letter saying they had come to collect the goods and that the bill for the 1 £60 parking ticket is now £648

At what point in their calculations had they added in the date?

The only fee to which they are entitled, under the Enforcement of Road Traffic Debts (Certificated Bailiffs) Regulations 1993 (link) as amended (link) would be £28 - and only then if distress had been lawfully levied which, in this case, it plainly was not. Even if the Parking Penalty had been £160, they could still only lawfully charge £45, as sums are rounded up to the nearest whole pound.

firstly can they lie to get in the property

Yes.

This is what they do.

Bailiffs tell lies!

This time, however, force was also used. If they had also claimed to be police officers - and I cannot see such a statement in your posting - that would be a serious criminal offence.

if i did not know this parking ticket existed can this happen

If there is nobody present to see it, does a bear crap in the woods?

how can my mom sign a form to say they can remove MY PROPERTY my mom has never even lived with me.

Irrelevant; as distress was improperly levied by them forcibly entering, the Walking Possession Agreement is plainly invalid.

i have tried to phone them to sort this out they said i would have to pay £30 a week to stop them removing my property i explained I am not working have a 8 week old baby and only got £70 a week benefit money they replied with well you'll still have £30 left then won't you

At least they refrained from telling you to sell your sprog to Madonna to pay their inflated fees.

I doubt she'd really want your child, anyway - he/she wouldn't match her sofas. msl:

Has any one got any advice on how to deal with this please.

Get Bristols & Hooters to send you a breakdown of the fees and charges. You'll then be able to challenge them with the council.

[bluebottle]

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Clever Clogs has brought this matter to my attention. I am a retired police officer. This bailiffs MUST be reported to the police without delay and an Incident Log or Crime Reference obtained. Impersonating A Police Officer (including a Special Cosntable) is a criminal offence. In the circumstances you describe, the bailiff committed a further offence of Burglary Artifice (Distraction Burglary) because he used deceit in order to obtain entry, which he did so as a trespasser, and was intending to take goods with the intention of permanently depriving you of them. As Clever Clogs has correctly said, any levy he may argue he has is worthless, invalid and illegal. I would ask B & S for the name of their bailiff and court that issued his certificate. Once that information is obtained, submit representations to the Circuit or District Judge at that court, who is likely to eat the bailiff alive. I would also contact the local authority involved, but would hold off doing so until you have reported this to the police, obtained a reference and a representation submitted to the court that issued the bailiff's certificate.

[bizzybob]

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In order to keep the moral high ground and give the council nowhere to go notwithstanding the criminal nature of Burglars & Stupid, should OP also file OOT at TEC? I was concerned with pulling the rug from under them and getting the fees officialy removed, then attacking the invalid levy and the stupidity and illegality of the bailiffs actions. Wonder if there is any mileage in racial crime as the swine would obviously recognise the Irish accent?

[Qpips]

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You are in good hands now that BB has come along!

[bizzybob]

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You are in good hands now that BB has come along!

bluebottle will help make these skanky bailiffs lives a living hell. Hopefully they have done enough to get jail time. Bristow & Sutor, really are Busted & Stupid this time.

[CleverClogs]

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bluebottle will help make these skanky bailiffs lives a living hell. Hopefully they have done enough to get jail time. Bristow & Sutor, really are Busted & Stupid this time.

As I see it, there may be some difficulty in obtaining sufficient evidence.

The boorish brute from Bristols & Hooters will doubtless claim that he knocked on the door very gently, that he and his colleague were dragged inside by an elderly woman and forcibly plied with endless cups of tea and that it was her suggestion that they levy distress while they were there.

[bizzybob]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

As I see it, there may be some difficulty in obtaining sufficient evidence.

The boorish brute from Bristols & Hooters will doubtless claim that he knocked on the door very gently, that he and his colleague were dragged inside by an elderly woman and forcibly plied with endless cups of tea and that it was her suggestion that they levy distress while they were there.

They will say that she did sorr to be sure to be sure.

But seriously, as this was first OP knew, filling in the forms to TEC and a Formal Complaint to the council about their penypidyn bailiffs would be an option.

[nina698]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

Hi
I would like to thank every one so much for there advice and suggestions,
im still a bit confused as what my next move should be
should i go back to the court to have it set aside (can I just go to my local court house )

is this levy on my goods valid been as i did not sign and my mom had no authority to sign on my behalf,
if it is not how do I approach this matter,

i don't mean to sound thick and stupid but could someone please give me a step by step guide of the actions i should be taking still very confused

[bizzybob]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

As the entry was forced,the levy would be invalid, but this is a council ticket not a court fine as in magistrates per se, so filling in an out of time with the Northampton TEC would be the first move, as the first you knew about this was when the bailiff turned up. Other Beagles can help further.

[bluebottle]

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The first priority is to report this bailiff to the police who, I can assure you, are not going to be happy bunnies. The fact that an elderly person was involved is going to make matters considerably worse for the bailiff. I cannot see a CJ or DJ taking a favourable view of the incident either.

[bizzybob]

Re: Bristow & sutor pretended to be police to gain access

The first priority is to report this bailiff to the police who, I can assure you, are not going to be happy bunnies. The fact that an elderly person was involved is going to make matters considerably worse for the bailiff. I cannot see a CJ or DJ taking a favourable view of the incident either.

What about the PCN, shouldn't OP also file OOT at the Kangaroo Northampton TEC? would the bailiffs illegal enforcement invalidate it then or would the council try it on with another bailiff?