Eviction problems for Bailiff

[bizzybob]

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Arrest is a last resort when reasoning has failed. Sometimes, arrest is unavoidable and has to be carried out swiftly, especially if someone is kicking seven colours of daylight out of someone and arrest is carried out to prevent further injury to the victim. Having reviewed the video, I have to agree that Sgt Mo did come near to nicking the two bailiffs, but he managed to resolve the matter without doing so. That takes skill and experience.

Sgt Mo is a credit to his force, and is good Inspector material.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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ty for posting GT it was AWESOME!!!

That scouse guy is now officially my hero.. and Sgt Mo.. WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!!!

I was screaming YES!! at the screen when the bailiffs were escorted away from the premises, even Mr R was watching open-mouthed!

Sgt Mo and your squad.. WE SALUTE YOU!!!

[CleverClogs]

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Especially the bit where the bailiff with the beer belly

Paul Higgs, who seems to be composed mainly of Higgs' bosons.

was told to leave the property and the muppet who tried to climb over the fence was told to cut it out.

You should watch it again, as he had been advised that he did not have lawful permission to enter and that he should walk away yet, barely a minute later, he stepped over the fence on the other side of the gate and - initially at least - refused to leave.

He should have been arrested there and then, if only for "behaviour calculated to cause a breach of the peace".

[bluebottle]

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Sgt Mo is a credit to his force, and is good Inspector material.

I fully endorse that. Trouble is, once you get past Inspector, they stick you behind a desk. Unless you are in CID, you tend to lose touch with what is going on around the manor, unless you are the sort of senior officer who is "hands on" and leads from the front.

[bluebottle]

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Do we know which force area this took place in, GT? I tried to cop a look at the force crest on the police vehicles, but couldn't see clearly which force it was.

[Guest]

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Having reviewed the video, I have to agree that Sgt Mo did come near to nicking the two bailiffs, but he managed to resolve the matter without doing so. That takes skill and experience.

I had a problem which was resolved this way. I see the people who were causing the problem most days. I'm always thankful the police didn't actually arrest or anything, even though it took quite a few visits and talking. It took about 2 years for it to sink in what an amazing job the police had done.

[Guest]

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Do we know which force area this took place in, GT? I tried to cop a look at the force crest on the police vehicles, but couldn't see clearly which force it was.

[Somecamel]

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Do we know which force area this took place in, GT? I tried to cop a look at the force crest on the police vehicles, but couldn't see clearly which force it was.

Seemed Barnet Court were the ones that issued the eviction notice

[bluebottle]

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Seemed Barnet Court were the ones that issued the eviction notice

Although Barnet Court issued the warrant, the accents were North West England. Could be Merseyside Police or, possibly, Lancashire Constabulary.

[UnitedFront]

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Whilst I am in absolutely no doubt that Paul Higgs is an utter thug and a complete moron and I think that it is, quite frankly, an utter disgrace that people like him are allowed to represent our courts... BUT...

At around 20:18 when the "resisters" start talking about the signature on the mortgage agreement "creating the money" etc, it becomes quite clear that these people were subscribing to some David Icke-like concept of Freeman-on-the-Land or the like which, quite frankly, is complete and utter nonsense and loses a lot of people their homes!!

Furthermore, the legislation quoted by the chap in the video makes it illegal to use force to take a residential property without lawful excuse and, unless I am very very much mistaken, enforcement of a court warrant is probably lawful excuse.

The tactics employed against the thuggish bailiffs succeeded because the police don't always completely understand the law and, in my opinion more likely, because the bailiffs were so arrogant that they probably annoyed even the police.

In any event, although the bailiffs might have been sent away this time they returned a short time later with High Court Enforcement Officers and the eviction took place.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is simply a myth that tactics such as those displayed in the video work in anything other than the very very short-term. In my view, such myths should not be perpetuated on a forum called the Legal Beagles.

[gravytrain]

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Not an expert in this area of the law, but my interpretation was that the bailiffs did not have their paperwork in order.

I am happy that this forum continues to ensure that bailiffs do everything by the book before they can throw people out of their homes.

[UnitedFront]

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Not an expert in this area of the law, but my interpretation was that the bailiffs did not have their paperwork in order.

I am happy that this forum continues to ensure that bailiffs do everything by the book before they can throw people out of their homes.

I do absolutely agree with you - it certainly seems that the bailiffs didn't have their paperwork in order, which I'm given to believe is remarkably common.

I also agree with you that the forum should help ensure that the bailiffs do everything by the book... my problem, I guess, is that I think the video gives the impression that by peacefully resisting, you can absolutely prevent an eviction. Which, as I eluded to, might be correct in the short-term but it certainly isn't in the long-term; ultimately the bailiffs (as stupid as they might be!) will manage to get the paperwork in order and carry out the eviction.

I hate bailiffs... and I reserve a special kind of hatred for ones like Paul Higgs and I think he should have been arrested at at least two points in the video...

[CleverClogs]

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Whilst I am in absolutely no doubt that Paul Higgs is an utter thug and a complete moron

How can you be sure that he has no bits missing?

Furthermore, the legislation quoted by the chap in the video makes it illegal to use force to take a residential property without lawful excuse and, unless I am very very much mistaken, enforcement of a court warrant is probably lawful excuse.

Indeed, if the paperwork had been completed correctly - which it does not seem to have been.

In any event, although the bailiffs might have been sent away this time they returned a short time later with High Court Enforcement Officers and the eviction took place.

Really?

How do you know?

I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is simply a myth that tactics such as those displayed in the video work in anything other than the very very short-term.

If you meant that "freeman" twaddle, I'd be astounded if it worked after the other side had stopped laughing.

If you meant insisting that the documentation was correct, it does buy time in which a case may be defended.

In my view, such myths should not be perpetuated on a forum called the Legal Beagles.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

Please let us know when you have taken over.

[gravytrain]

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I do absolutely agree with you - it certainly seems that the bailiffs didn't have their paperwork in order, which I'm given to believe is remarkably common.

I also agree with you that the forum should help ensure that the bailiffs do everything by the book... my problem, I guess, is that I think the video gives the impression that by peacefully resisting, you can absolutely prevent an eviction. Which, as I eluded to, might be correct in the short-term but it certainly isn't in the long-term; ultimately the bailiffs (as stupid as they might be!) will manage to get the paperwork in order and carry out the eviction.

I hate bailiffs... and I reserve a special kind of hatred for ones like Paul Higgs and I think he should have been arrested at at least two points in the video...

With respect i think you underestimate the people who come on here. If you look through the bailiff threads, and particularly at the moment you will see report after report of bailiffs cutting corners, taking liberties and sometimes behaving downright dishonestly. I think anyone would forgive us for celebrating, just a little, an albeit minor victory for the little guy.

[UnitedFront]

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CC, I think I'm pretty much on the same lines as you...

I think Paul Higgs might have LOTS of bits missing...

I agree that the paperwork seemed to be defective... but I think that the video gives the impression that the right to peacefully resist was an outright block in itself without the defective paperwork...

One of the websites peddles this twaddle details that the eviction took place shortly after the incident in the video:
http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/word...eats-eviction/

I was meaning the Freeman twaddle... it works only in the events where is confuses and/or infuriates people to the point that they temporarily give up.

With regard to the faulty paperwork - I agree, finding faulty paperwork can buy invaluable time to take appropriate legal measures!

My issue is that by adopting freeman twaddle and other David Icke-ish methods, people are not actually engaging with the law but are instead burying their head in the sand (or more precisely in a world of make believe)... and so are, I think, far less likely to actually take the necessary advice and pursue avenues that could, in the time afforded by the faulty paperwork, save their homes!

I don't want to take over at all. But surely a website set up to protect the public shouldn't be assisting in the spreading of pseudo-legal nonsense that can be very harmful?

Thank you for your sarcasm though. Anyone would think I was back on the CAG forum...