Help marstons charged £403

[bizzybob]

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She was also the person who defended kiddie fiddlers when she was a Legal Officer with the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty). Says a lot, don't you think? Misguided, if you ask me.

In view of the Hunhe affair, what other scandals are hidden in the Westminster Bubble, that they want to castrate the press to keep buried?

[CleverClogs]

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She was also the person who defended kiddie fiddlers when she was a Legal Officer with the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty).

link 1, link 2

Says a lot, don't you think? She's a raving loony, if you ask me.

IFYPFY. msl:

[CleverClogs]

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In view of the Hunhe affair, what other scandals are hidden in the Westminster Bubble, that they want to castrate the press to keep buried?

Well, there was that children's home on Jersey, Haut de la Garenne and similar abuse allegedly happened at two homes on Guernsey...

Didn't "Sir" Edward Heath enjoy sailing to the Channel Islands?

[MissFM]

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Tch tch - and yet another priest today....

[CleverClogs]

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[Milo]

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Harriet Harman also known in our house as "that bloody woman" was one of the main orchestrators of this particular three card trick.

I remember her defending the TCE forced entry regulations, which the earlier DCVCA skulduggery laid the groundwork for, by saying," if it was her money she would have no compunction about kicking the door in".

But the point still remains......why is a bailiff allowed to "kick the door in"? It is bizarre. This would seem like a draconian measure if the purpose of the forced entry was to search for the defaulter ( or should I say "alledged" fine defaulter. The most that is allowed by law is for the bailiff to carry out a levy upon goods. The law is very clear on this particular point.

A levy is all that can be achieved. The bailiff cannot remove the goods.

[gravytrain]

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But the point still remains......why is a bailiff allowed to "kick the door in"? It is bizarre. This would seem like a draconian measure if the purpose of the forced entry was to search for the defaulter ( or should I say "alledged" fine defaulter. The most that is allowed by law is for the bailiff to carry out a levy upon goods. The law is very clear on this particular point.

A levy is all that can be achieved. The bailiff cannot remove the goods.

I was under the impression that "levying distress" was as defined in distress for rent rules where a walking possession order is issued and goods can be removed if the arrangement to pay is not followed or cannot be negotiated, and enforced via the magistrates court act 1980, in the same way as re-entry after a legal peaceful levy has been made on a civil debt, is this not correct ?

[CleverClogs]

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But the point still remains......why is a bailiff allowed to "kick the door in"? It is bizarre. This would seem like a draconian measure if the purpose of the forced entry was to search for the defaulter ( or should I say "alleged" fine defaulter.

It is disgusting, primitive, barbaric and quite likely not to be effective, as the miscreant might not live at the address "visited" and. indeed, might never have lived there.

The most that is allowed by law is for the bailiff to carry out a levy upon goods. The law is very clear on this particular point. ... A levy is all that can be achieved. The bailiff cannot remove the goods.

Wrong.

I take the view that seizing and selling a person's goods to settle a debt should have died when the Marshalsea (link) was closed.

[bizzybob]

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It is disgusting, primitive, barbaric and quite likely not to be effective, as the miscreant might not live at the address "visited" and. indeed, might never have lived there.


Wrong.

I take the view that seizing and selling a person's goods to settle a debt should have died when the Marshalsea (link) was closed.

Yes distress and seizure of goods should have died years ago, but it didn't and now debtors are trapped in a virtual Marshalsea in their own homes, prisoners of the bailiffs increasing, and often unjustifiable demands that are no less repugnant than the interest on a Wonga loan. They are trapped by the possibility of never being debt free within their lifetime.

[gravytrain]

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Unfortunately the repugnant practice is an integral part of UK fiscal policy and extends far beyond the pockets of the bailiff, local government and to even the chancellor of the exchequer all take a cut from the debtors misery.

See the LADER report for instance, where it was shown that councils award tenders to bailiff companies on a basis of fee kickbacks.

[bizzybob]

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Unfortunately the repugnant practice is an integral part of UK fiscal policy and extends far beyond the pockets of the bailiff, local government and even the chancellor of the exchequer all take there cut from everyone else s misery.

See the LADA report for instance, where it was shown that councils award tenders to bailiff companies on a basis of fee kickbacks.

The big "C" word Corruption in other words

[CleverClogs]

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The big "C" word Corruption in other words

See attached file.

Gravyboat got the name wrong, of course...

[bizzybob]

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See attached file.

Gravyboat got the name wrong, of course...

Isn't a LADA a Russian skip?
But yes it would appear that this highly dubious practice is widespread and condoned, but quoted from the Forward to the report was criticised as inappropriate

"John Kruse (the author of this Report) was sitting beside me and reminded me that the
National Standards for Enforcement Agents dissuades any sort of payment for awarding
contracts. I mentioned this to the conference and added that an Authority’s demand for a
percentage would compel bailiffs to artificially increase their fees in order to comply. I might
have also said (although I can’t now recall whether I did) that as the fees for the early stages
of the enforcement are fixed by statute, there is a risk of bailiffs having to remove or attend
to remove goods unnecessarily in order to raise the revenue needed to pay the Authority its
piece of the action.
Since then, the issue has been aired in trade journals and raised in Parliament. Local
Authority Debt Enforcement & Recovery then commissioned this Report from the Bailiff
Studies Centre.
I have warned for many years of the consequences of a commercial environment which
incentivises bailiffs to cut corners and push back the boundaries of acceptable behaviour. I
first said it publically at an Institute of Revenues Rating & Valuation (IRRV) Enforcement
Conference in April 1998. Now, as this report reveals, we have gone a step or two further
into the quagmire, with some Authorities requiring their bailiffs to act this way in order to get
contracts."

[CleverClogs]

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Isn't a LADA a Russian skip?

Only if it has a sun roof.

[bizzybob]

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Only if it has a sun roof.

In which case we should consider one to be a Container, in the absence of a sunroof :rofl::rofl: