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Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

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    Hi all, I do apologise for not introducing myself before, to cut a long story short I received a PCN last year from the Council, I was at work when I got the ticket and only worked part time so could not afford to pay the ticket, since this I think the ticket doubled after the discount period which still I obviously could not pay it then went to Northampton Court and increased to £95 which I also could not afford, at no time have I ever been offered to pay instalments to pay any of these amounts off due to my low income. I have not heard anything since last year up until 6th August this year, when I have recieved this letter from Marstons (marston 1). I could not afford to pay and again no offer of repayments.

    I have today received a letter posted through the door by the bailiff (marston 2). For a first visit the fees seem very steep the original debt has more than trebled!!!! I have been doing some research and believe that these fees are not allowable by law and looking into things I have found a couple of letter templates from another site (I dont know if I can mention it but if OK it is a very informative site on bailiffs) and was wondering which (if any) would be the most appropriate course of action (I will edit the letters to suit my needs).

    [HEAD OF TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT]
    [NAME OF] Council
    [ADDRESS & POSTCODE]

    [DATE]

    Dear Sir.

    FORMAL COMPLAINT

    BY POST AND BY EMAIL

    Re: Penalty Charge Notice Number: [NUMBER]

    I make this formal complaint because I received bailiff from you on [DATE] collecting the aforementioned PCN and demanded the sum of [AMOUNT].

    The bailiff indiscriminately over-charged me with his fees that are not compliant with regulations and charged me for work he has not done. There has been no costs incurred by the bailiff and no costs order has been made against me by a court. This may constitute an offence under the 2006 Fraud Act.
    [ADD ANY OTHER GROUNDS HERE – KEEP IT SIMPLE AND FACTUAL]
    I confirm no goods have been taken or physically removed (distress) by the bailiff and no goods were needed to be collected my me.
    COMPLAINT RESOLUTION

    1. Return the case to council administration.
    2. The council makes the necessary investigation why I was over-charged.
    3. Do the necessary work to ensure the person responsible for over charging me is made accountable under both, civil law and criminal law and the investigation is made objectively and professionally.
    4. Make the necessary complaint to the appropriate court regarding the bailiff's fitness to hold a certificate.

    If you are unable, or unwilling to resolve this complaint in full, please mark your response letter with the words FINAL RESOLUTION and I will ask the Local Government Ombudsman to intervene and start a claim in the county court.

    Yours Faithfully.


    [YOUR NAME]
    Encs. Copy of:
    Bailiffs document.

    Cc – [NAME OF BAILIFF COMPANY]


    Or this one:


    [NAME OF ENFORCEMENTS SECTION]
    [NAME OF] Council
    [ADDRESS1]
    [POSTCODE]

    BY POST AND BY EMAIL
    [DATE]
    Dear Sir
    Re: [YOUR NAME & ANY REF]: Visit by your bailiff on [DATE]
    FORMAL COMPLAINT
    I have had an opportunity to seek advice and I write on the understanding that case law has ruled an authority is liable for its bailiffs.
    On [DATE] I was visited by your bailiff collecting unpaid council tax. We were unable to reach an amicable resolve and the bailiff showed threatening behaviour and became defensive and vexatious in nature. He made unrealistic demands of money which are way beyond my means and has been caught cheating with his fees by charging unlawful amounts contrary to regulations.
    COMPLAINT RESOLUTION
    a) Take the case back from the bailiff.
    b) Accept my original offer to pay £[AMOUNT] a week to clear the arrears
    c) Pay me a reasonable compensation for my inconvenience and for my efforts in seeking discovery of information and
    d) Receiving an over-zealous bailiff acting for you making unrealistic demands of money and defrauding me with his fees.
    If you fail to satisfactorily complete the above I will automatically escalate the complaint to the local government ombudsman in fourteen days from the date of this letter.
    Due to my circumstances I am unable to pay the debt as demanded by the bailiffs and I will make payment of £[AMOUNT] each month for [NUMBER OF] monthly installments with a final installment of £[AMOUNT]. This may seem a long time but it's all I can afford and allows me to pay future liabilities without falling into arrears. I confirm I am not refusing to pay this debt.
    This letter is delivered by Royal Mail and deem properly served on you by the ordinary course of post under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978. It is now your responsibility and in your own interests this letter is handed to the relevant person within your organisation.
    Yours Faithfully
    [NAME]
    Enc 1st payment.

    One more thing and sorry for the long post but have tried to work this out for myself just need help with the finer touches.

    Can the bailiff take my car not the one with the PCN or would that be classed as irregular distress. If he comes tomorrow I will video what he has to say. Hope someone can help. Thank you for reading my post.
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  • #2
    Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

    The first template. The 2nd template is about council tax.

    I think I am right because I wrote both templates.

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    • #3
      Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

      double post

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      • #4
        Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

        Hi, thank you for the quick response and for the templates. Am I right in thinking the charges are unlawful? These are the only 2 letters I have had from Marstons, so the second letter was definately today and should have been classed as a first visit surely as the Gas engineer working on our street told me a big man posted it through my door. I have not spoken to him and he has not been in my house, I dont understand where the extra £180 has appeared from as I understand it should be £24.50 for a first visit. I have read elsewhere on this forum that I should move my car by the sounds of things.

        If I were to hand deliver the first template as you suggest to the relevent person at the council office (or would it be better as stated to send an email and post a letter) would they have to immediately stop the bailiff action whilst my complaint is being looked at.

        After looking through these forums I am totally disgusted with the way debtors are treated by these people and the Local Authority for allowing it to happen. Time to make a stand I think!!!

        Thanks again for your help.

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        • #5
          Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

          If there is even the slightest smell of corruption and skullduggery on the part of a local authority and its contracted enforcement agents, a letter from a legal professional will often have the silly burghers' backsides emitting tuneful sounds.

          A poster on another site did this when JBW illegally seized his car. He instructed a solicitor to deal with the council involved. The car was returned the same day the council received the solicitor's letter. As you can expect, the local council involved are not exactly happy bunnies with JBW. In fact, they are absolutely furious bunnies as the council will end up paying legal costs on top of compensation and special damages for trespass to the person whose car JBW illegally-seized. So, getting a legal professional to write to a local authority can bring any bullying, intimidation and cheating to an abrupt halt.

          As for Marstons' bailiffs, you might wish to invest in an English-Neanderthal dictionary as they seem to communicate with a series of grunts. The only words that seem to be uttered are "Full amount only" and "Locksmith". If you notice any callouses on the backs of their fingers, this is due to their knuckles dragging the ground.
          Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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          • #6
            Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

            http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...rking-Offences

            Have you read this? It sets things out fairly clearly.

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            • #7
              Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

              Hi labman thanks for the advice, I have read that one it seems it just covers the 'out of time' part., I fully understand I owe the Council money for a parking ticket and would have paid it if I had the money but I didnt and still have'nt. What has upset me is the fact that if I had gone to court for say a Criminal offence and been fined I would have been able to pay in installments as on a low income, the Council on the other hand seem to think that it is ok to demand money that you have not got send the debt to a kangaroo court and then allow a very dodgy bailiff company (by the sounds of things) fraudulantly? triple what I owe and still no sign of being able to pay off with installments, sounds like I got a worse deal than if i'd gone and burgled somebody not stayed in a parking spot on an empty street for 5 mins too long.

              I posted on here to double check if the fees charged were legitamate or if I have been unlawfully charged too much, if I have I will send the first template I posted earlier in the thread to both the council and marstons, but unfortunately I dont know it all and am unsure if this is the right thing or way to go about it.

              Lol bluebottle, I speak fluent Neanderthal so shouldn't be a problem, hahaha.

              Thanks all.

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              • #8
                Re: Marstons Bailiffs - Council PCN

                Hi Stevo,

                I'm attaching some legislation to this post that should put the local authority involved and Marstons on the defensive. It is the legislation that applies to PCNs issued by local authorities and contains details of the fees Marstons can legitimately charge. I would recommend you quote relevant parts of it in correspondence should you have to write to either the local authority or Marstons. Consider involving a legal professional if matters seem to hit a brick wall. Legal professionals are often skilled in the art of demolishing such walls.
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                Life is a journey on which we all travel, sometimes together, but never alone.

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