rossendales bailiffs out of order

[ploddertom]

Re: rossendales bailiffs out of order

Have you had a breakdown of the fees the Bailiff has charged? Have you contested the "levy" they have made?

[benny1979]

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we have recieved a letter from rossendales today regarding the breakdown of fees. this is what it says ( i have removed the names ).

i can confirm that the first call bailiff Mr " A ", attended your property on thurs. 2 feb 2012 at 20:29pm. he spoke to somone at the property and a signed walking possession agreement was obtained, incuring fees of £55.00 for the levy and £12.00 for the walking possession agreement. the bailiff Mr " A " was certified at burnley combined court on 19 ............... 2011

the enforcement bailiff Mr " B " attended the property on fri. 16 march 2011 at 11.29am, he made no contact with anyone at the property. an attendance fee of £130.00 was incurred for this visit. the bailiff Mr " B " was certified at burnley combined court on 9 ......................... 2012.

yours sincerely
bailiff manager
rossendales ltd

[labman]

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As you have removed names, the first thing to do is to check they are certificated to be working for Rossendales. To do this, go to:

Certificated Bailiff Register Justice UK

and check. If they are not, phone the Ministry of Justice on 020 3334 3555, they will be able to tell you which court issued the original certificate and you can then call that court and check the details further. However, please note that there may be administrative delays and if a search reveals that a bailiff is not listed as certificated then you should inform the bailiff that a search of the HMCS on-line Certificated Bailiff's Register does not include him. You should then request a copy of his certificate, or have him confirm which Court granted his certificate and when.

[CleverClogs]

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the enforcement bailiff Mr " B " attended the property on fri. 16 march 2011 at 11.29am, he made no contact with anyone at the property. an attendance fee of £130.00 was incurred for this visit. the bailiff Mr " B " was certified at burnley combined court on 9 ......................... 2012.

Is this the Head of Revenues?

It must be, if he thinks the "attendance fee" complies with the regulations.

[benny1979]

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THEY ARE AT IT AGAIN !!!!!!!
We agreed to pay £50.00 p/w. we have kept up the payments to Rossendales. Today we had a hand delivered letter from a bailiff saying he was going to remove goods, so I called him to ask why. He said we was late with a payment in april of 2 days.
the reason for this is rossendales sent us a letter saying they would accept our offer of £50.00 per week ( more like they were told by the head of revenues ). we moved house and only had this letter with our ref. no. to hand so we could make our payments via their automated phone service. when we came to make a payment it would not recoggnise our ref no. after 2 days of searching through boxes/bin liners of our house move we found other letters from rossendales and found they had put the wrong ref. no. on the letter we had been using.
I tried reasoning with rossendales but suprise suprise they are not interested, they want the payment in full and we have incured more costs for the bailiffs visit. Surely this is unfair and harrassment.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as you can tell by the time this was posted ........ I CAN'T SLEEP !!!!!!

[IanM]

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Benny1979, please go to sleep and stop worrying so much.

I do not know the legal ins and outs of the rules around bailiffs but i have had many dealings with Rossendales and another company called Equita, both of which think they can get away with murder but they can't and you have to stay strong willed enough to tell them to go jump off a cliff!

If you are working and on less than £900 per month then you need to keep telling the bailiffs to go away because eventually when they cannot collect anything from you they return the debt back to the council and then the council have to make an attachment of earnings order to your employer based on the liability order they obtain for non-payment.

If the council make an attachment of earnings order to your employer(and they can only use the liability order for the employer of the named person on the order and for only one employer, if it has yours and your husbands name on it they can only use it once, they cannot duplicate the order to 2 different employers so will normally put it in one persons name only) they can only claim for the amount on the Liability order which does include the councils costs for taking you to court etc. but this amount will not include any 'fees' incurred by the baliffs. (I've been told that if they return the debt to the council they(Rossendales) cannot claim any fees etc. but i'm not too sure if this is true or not, someone else may know!)

It may take time for this to happen but you don't have to pay anything until then if you choose not to, although if you do go to the council office payment desk and ask them to credit your payment to the account number for the original bill then they have to accept the payment, and the 7% of less than a £900per month wage on an attachment of earnings order is less than the £50 per week you are currently paying so will save you some money from week to week.

Other people may know of other ways to sort it out but this one has worked for us after the council over charged us and wouldn't explain our CT bills properly, big mistake on their part lol!

[IanM]

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Also, if you have made payments to Rossendales using a debit card make sure you contact the bank and tell them you have lost your card and require a new one because if Rossendales have the 16 digit card number and the 3 numbers off the back they can dip into your account at will without your authorization . (they have the morals to do this)

A new card gives you a new 16 digit number etc. so all requests for payment on the old 16 digit number after this will be automatically refused without you incurring any charges.

[pepsie]

Re: rossendales bailiffs out of order

THEY ARE AT IT AGAIN !!!!!!!
We agreed to pay £50.00 p/w. we have kept up the payments to Rossendales. Today we had a hand delivered letter from a bailiff saying he was going to remove goods, so I called him to ask why. He said we was late with a payment in april of 2 days.
the reason for this is rossendales sent us a letter saying they would accept our offer of £50.00 per week ( more like they were told by the head of revenues ). we moved house and only had this letter with our ref. no. to hand so we could make our payments via their automated phone service. when we came to make a payment it would not recoggnise our ref no. after 2 days of searching through boxes/bin liners of our house move we found other letters from rossendales and found they had put the wrong ref. no. on the letter we had been using.
I tried reasoning with rossendales but suprise suprise they are not interested, they want the payment in full and we have incured more costs for the bailiffs visit. Surely this is unfair and harrassment.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated, as you can tell by the time this was posted ........ I CAN'T SLEEP !!!!!!

You should not have to try reasoning with Rottendales....it is very clear the default was caused by them....probably to obtain extra fees:

I would write to their CEO Mrs Julie Green Jones and not only tell her you aware of the mistake, Rossendales reluctance to address the matter tends to suggest they have still not got their house in order.

Clearly Rossendales incompetent administration allows you to refuse to have any further dealings with them and, you should forward a copy of your letter to the LA telling them that all future payments will now be made direct to them.

If you need help writing those letters please let me know and I will be happy to draft them for you.

Pepsie

[wales01man]

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Reading so much on here about the actions of ar-----es bailiffs would the best advice be to always pay the debt to the council and stick two fingers up to the thugs if everone did this councils will get the message and rethink their instructions to the bullies.No one should lose sleep or be depressed because as often is they are in debt through no fault of their own I owe money to a council for council tax when threatened with bailiffs i told the collectins people i would never deal with bailiffs i dont and i pay the debt monthly DO THE SAME

[bluebottle]

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What Rossendales' bailiffs are engaged in, in this case, is a type of fraud known as False Accounting. It is an offence under Section 17, Theft Act 1968. Section 18 of the same Act holds not only the company of Rossendales, but its directors, officers, company secretary and managers criminally-liable, also. If Julie Green-Jones cannot exercise adequate and proper supervision over those who work for her, then, perhaps, it is time for the BIS Investigations Department and OFT to put her and her company under the microscope of investigation to establish whether the company is being used as a Vehicle for Fraud (Yes, there is such a thing. It's under Company Law.) and whether the BIS or Director-General OFT should seek an order from the courts to have Rossendales closed down in the public interest. The cases on LB and other consumer forums show there is a very strong case for the regulatory agencies to use their powers to crack down on the unacceptable and criminal behaviour of companies who flout the law.

[Guest]

Re: rossendales bailiffs out of order

What Rossendales' bailiffs are engaged in, in this case, is a type of fraud known as False Accounting. It is an offence under Section 17, Theft Act 1968. Section 18 of the same Act holds not only the company of Rossendales, but its directors, officers, company secretary and managers criminally-liable, also. If Julie Green-Jones cannot exercise adequate and proper supervision over those who work for her, then, perhaps, it is time for the BIS Investigations Department and OFT to put her and her company under the microscope of investigation to establish whether the company is being used as a Vehicle for Fraud (Yes, there is such a thing. It's under Company Law.) and whether the BIS or Director-General OFT should seek an order from the courts to have Rossendales closed down in the public interest. The cases on LB and other consumer forums show there is a very strong case for the regulatory agencies to use their powers to crack down on the unacceptable and criminal behaviour of companies who flout the law.

Don't happen to have any instances of this ever happening to a bailiff company do you BB.

Perhaps in your long carrier as a as a law enforcement officer(LEA) you have actually been involved in the prosecution of a bailiff in this manner and for these offenses. Perhaps we could have some details?

Not wishing to be offensive in any way, but if you could just give us the actual details and leave out the itinerary of you undoubtedly illustrious career.

It would make it easier for the reader to identify the useful information.

Peter

[pepsie]

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Don't happen to have any instances of this ever happening to a bailiff company do you BB.

Perhaps in your long carrier as a as a law enforcement officer(LEA) you have actually been involved in the prosecution of a bailiff in this manner and for these offenses. Perhaps we could have some details?

Not wishing to be offensive in any way, but if you could just give us the actual details and leave out the itinerary of you undoubtedly illustrious career.

It would make it easier for the reader to identify the useful information.

Peter

Well Marstons...formerly Drakes got naughty and action was needed in 2008 I think??

Pepsie

[bluebottle]

Re: rossendales bailiffs out of order

Don't happen to have any instances of this ever happening to a bailiff company do you BB.

Perhaps in your long carrier as a as a law enforcement officer(LEA) you have actually been involved in the prosecution of a bailiff in this manner and for these offenses. Perhaps we could have some details?

Not wishing to be offensive in any way, but if you could just give us the actual details and leave out the itinerary of you undoubtedly illustrious career.

It would make it easier for the reader to identify the useful information.

Peter

Peter,

When you are reading other LB's posts could you at least take the time and trouble to read them thoroughly and properly? Perhaps, then you might just understand the point that is being made. In the OP's case, there is certainly evidence of False Accounting. The law enforcement and regulatory agencies cannot do anything about rogue bailiff companies unless people tell them what is going on. If no-one tells them, how are they to know what is going on? It's all very well coming onto a consumer forum, moaning and posting negative and apathetic comments. Apathy is the bailiffs' best friend. Assertiveness is their enemy. By posting information as I have in the post you have highlighted, it provides others with the necessary information with which to do something positive and bring about a change in attitude and the way law enforcement and regulatory agencies deal with things such as bailiff misconduct.

If you haven't got anything constructive to contribute, Peter, may I respectfully urge you to refrain from posting negative comments which help no-one?

[bluebottle]

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Well Marstons...formerly Drakes got naughty and action was needed in 2008 I think??

Pepsie

Thanks for that, Pepsie. I recall reading about the unfortunate case that brought about Drakes demise somewhere.

[Guest]

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Peter,

When you are reading other LB's posts could you at least take the time and trouble to read them thoroughly and properly? Perhaps, then you might just understand the point that is being made. In the OP's case, there is certainly evidence of False Accounting. The law enforcement and regulatory agencies cannot do anything about rogue bailiff companies unless people tell them what is going on. If no-one tells them, how are they to know what is going on? It's all very well coming onto a consumer forum, moaning and posting negative and apathetic comments. Apathy is the bailiffs' best friend. Assertiveness is their enemy. By posting information as I have in the post you have highlighted, it provides others with the necessary information with which to do something positive and bring about a change in attitude and the way law enforcement and regulatory agencies deal with things such as bailiff misconduct.

If you haven't got anything constructive to contribute, Peter, may I respectfully urge you to refrain from posting negative comments which help no-one?

If their is anything in your post that is helpful i apologize.

Tell us how and when you have used these methods to obtain an effect, we are all ears.

These are not negative comments these are attempts to get something useful out of your posts.

You want to change attitudes and alter the way the system works, great, will this actually help the OP at this point though.

If they take you at face value and quote some of your rhetoric do you think it will do any good?

Peter