Baillif Struck OFF

[righty]

Some may recall that I posted some time earlier that a bailiff had his cert suspended but because of further action didn't name him or the firm

Well there has been a 2nd hearing & he has been permanently struck off by the court as 'not a fit & proper person' to hold a certificate

The firm is Phillips & the Bailiff is/was Dean O'Loughlin

As this bailiff was ably assisted by the police to commit an offense (the alleged debtor was arrested & kept in a cell for 2 hours when he refused to cooperate) there are further matters to be resolved over that (they are being sued for false arrest & detention)
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There is also an allegation made in court by the bailiff, in an obvious attempt to appear honest, that the police contacted him by phone to ask if he would make a statement claiming that the victim drove at him & he was in fear of being injured, he refused cos it wasn't true

If true isn't that appalling & shows what we are up against when the guardians of the law cannot be trusted

[bloomingflower]

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Hi Righty !

Bravo Mr Judge !!!!

Its a case of who is worse than the other?!!! and who do you turn to when you are in trouble, it certainly seems to be that you can't put your trust in the Police anymore. This case clearly shows how they can both manipulate together and blatantly bend the rules without a care in the world..and us little people suffer in the process. I hope that guy gets the compensation he so rightly deserves.

Thank the lord for the court system, it does count for something !

Am in the process of pursuing CCS Enforcement and Drakes ! God help me !! lol



Bf xx

[BBB]

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The sad thing is the police do not receive any training whatsoever in civil law relating to bailiffs and the collection of debt. All they get told is if it isn't criminal law then it is a civil matter and advise people to seek legal advice.

[righty]

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Sorry BBB it's got know't to do with training. It's to do with police officers not doing their job. Any fool knows that a you can't collect a civil debt by breaking the law.

Also Devon and Cornwall Police have sent briefing notes to their various stations which set out the procedure & in which it is clearly stated that the attending officer should in no way take part in collecting the debt. It also states that officers should ensure the bailiff IS acting lawfully, has the correct documents & has correctly identified the address & debtor.

If they can do it why not the rest ................... brain surgery it ain't

Idea to help those affected or soon to be affected by such events why not organize and send an LB information paper including a draft of the D&C's briefing sheet for distribution throughout the countries police forces

[BAILIFFCHASER]

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Hi Righty !

Bravo Mr Judge !!!!

Its a case of who is worse than the other?!!! and who do you turn to when you are in trouble, it certainly seems to be that you can't put your trust in the Police anymore. This case clearly shows how they can both manipulate together and blatantly bend the rules without a care in the world..and us little people suffer in the process. I hope that guy gets the compensation he so rightly deserves.

Thank the lord for the court system, it does count for something !

Am in the process of pursuing CCS Enforcement and Drakes ! God help me !! lol



Bf xx

Could you if you want send me further details regarding ccs and marstons cases. just am interested in how ccs are behaving like at the moment. !!!!!

[righty]

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Baillifchaser Did you get the info on the original post??

[BAILIFFCHASER]

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Baillifchaser Did you get the info on the original post??

No i did not.

[righty]

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ok email me at JonOfficeHome@aol.com

[BBB]

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Sorry BBB it's got know't to do with training. It's to do with police officers not doing their job. Any fool knows that a you can't collect a civil debt by breaking the law.

How is that police officers not doing their job?If people don't know the laws relating to collection of civil debts (and in the case of police officers have not received any training in the legislation around this area) how can they know if the law is being broken? I bet the majority of people out there know nothing about debt collection at all, including many police officers.

Also Devon and Cornwall Police have sent briefing notes to their various stations which set out the procedure & in which it is clearly stated that the attending officer should in no way take part in collecting the debt. It also states that officers should ensure the bailiff IS acting lawfully, has the correct documents & has correctly identified the address & debtor.

How do you expect the officers to know the bailiff is acting lawfully if they have had no training in civil law?

If they can do it why not the rest ................... brain surgery it ain't

I'm assuming you have seen the briefing note. Is it available for viewing in the public domain?

[righty]

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Because common sense tells you that if a civilian is claiming they can enter a private dwelling by force then as guardians of the law they need to make sure that's the case & if they aren't sure all they need do is ask someone higher up.

As we have seen time & time again the don't even bother to do that & will actually 'assist' bailiffs into committing an offense

& yes I have seen Cornwall's briefing paper In fact I have it copied to my PC
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Forgot to mention that even when expert advice is offered to individual officers, at the scene, they ignore it & proceed regardless

As a result a number are being investigated for their actions

[BBB]

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Because common sense tells you that if a civilian is claiming they can enter a private dwelling by force then as guardians of the law they need to make sure that's the case & if they aren't sure all they need do is ask someone higher up.

Who would they ask higher up in the chain, given that the person they ask will most likely also be in the same position of having not received any training about civil law and debt? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but you seem to think that police officers should know everything about this aspect of law, but they only receive training in criminal law and nothing else. There may be a minority of officers who have acquired the necessary knowledge by other means but the vast majority of officers will be as knowledgable as the majority of the UK population i.e not very.

As we have seen time & time again the don't even bother to do that & will actually 'assist' bailiffs into committing an offense

& yes I have seen Cornwall's briefing paper In fact I have it copied to my PC

Is the paper available for public consumption?
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Forgot to mention that even when expert advice is offered to individual officers, at the scene, they ignore it & proceed regardless

As a result a number are being investigated for their actions

In what percentage of cases where the police are called to incidents involving bailiffs is the "expert advice" available to them?

[righty]

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BBB I'm not really going to get into this endless what if & but etc suffice to say if you don't believe me & really want to know the answers do a little research around the net & you could start with CAG where you will find numerous examples of what I'm referring to

Advice is always available to officers on the ground should they choose to ask for it

& yes the guidance is available & I will post it when I'm next on my PC (I'm currently using my laptop) or you could ask Watcher or Chaser who I think have a copy

& as I stated before you don't need to be an expert to know that someone intending to force entry into a private dwelling needs to have some sort of legal authority to do so

[BBB]

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BBB I'm not really going to get into this endless what if & but etc suffice to say if you don't believe me & really want to know the answers do a little research around the net & you could start with CAG where you will find numerous examples of what I'm referring to

I haven't said that I don't believe you Righty, but my stance is that how can you expect police officers to know the law on debt and bailiffs if they have not been trained in that area? As to searching CAG, as one of the many who has been moderated the search function is no longer available to me

Advice is always available to officers on the ground should they choose to ask for it

And where would this advice be available from?

& yes the guidance is available & I will post it when I'm next on my PC (I'm currently using my laptop) or you could ask Watcher or Chaser who I think have a copy

Good, I look forward to seeing that.

& as I stated before you don't need to be an expert to know that someone intending to force entry into a private dwelling needs to have some sort of legal authority to do so

Indeed, but you do need to have knowledge of the powers that a bailiff has, and all the paperwork used, as well as the laws regarding what a bailiff can and can't do. This is something that police officers are not given in their training period.

[righty]

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Why do I expect them to know the law? because they is coppers & wear uniforms is why & as I have stated even when advised by telephone that the bailiff is acting illegally they have ignored the advice Result they are now the subject of formal complaints
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The only correction should be in 3.2 which states warrant when it should read order

http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/...icies/D222.pdf

[BBB]

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Why do I expect them to know the law? because they is coppers & wear uniforms is why

Which is fine if you expect them to know about criminal law, as they are trained in that, but not if you expect them to know about civil law, as they DON'T receive training in that. And what aspect of law do bailiffs get involved in? That's right, civil law.