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  • cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

    Hi Everyone,
    On may 8 2006 I took out credit card, plus PPI with halifax.
    i stopped paying a year later because the PPI should not have been added. I requested they remove the PPI and fees where the PPI charges on my monthly account brought my PPI over limit.
    the matter was complicated because there were also 2 loans, also with pPi. after a complaint to the bank, the bank accepted all 3 PPI policies were missold but refused to repay the PPI. I went into dispute refusing to pay anything until they repaid my PPI directly

    In 2012 halifax claimed one of the loans in court and lost on every ground. the judge held there was an unfair relationship and the loan was legally uneforceable. he found the amount of correspondance from halifax demanding repayment was unacceptable. following the decision, the other loan was also unenforceable due to being based on exactly the same facts however, halifax promptly sold it to connaught collections/cai finance limited/ 1st credit. they also sold the credit card to them. I informed connaught immediately that the loan was legally unenforceable and referred them back to halifax. nevertheless they continued to harass me with threatening letters.

    ist credit has now issued a county court claim for the credit card. In that claim they claim they bought the debt for exactly the amount that was owed by me to halifax. I doubt this but dont know how to definitely prove it. Ive issued an AOS, and want to defend in full.
    I know I can issue halifax with a dsar but how can I force them to tell me exactly what they sold it for, normally these debts are sold i bulk according to my understanding.
    I haven't got a clue about consumer law but have legal database access. help me beat this company please...just for justice against them.

    going back to halifax: regarding the credit card:
    On 8 Dec 2007 they issued a default notice under s87(1) cc act 1974. (does this stop interest being added, what other effects does it have?)
    i paid some contributions between dec 2007 & march 2008 approx.

    I do not have all of my records to hand and no access to this account anymore unless I issue Dsar to halifax.(I kept all my records but they did not supply me with all of my monthlyl statements so some info is missing).



    Which act does my credit card come under? I know there was new legislation in 2006, but I think it hadn't come into effect when I took out the credit card?

    issues runnign through my mind are these and I invite you to give me any more pointers /advice please plus advice on these issues. thank you.

    1. I want to prove 1st credit/connaught/ cai/ etc are one and the same- ( a) because i understand the oft made dire findings against them before, and (b) I want to try to argue against their costs. i need hard evidence for a judge, not opinion.

    2. what effect does missold PPI have when its a credit card. I think my lawyer said before that theres no concept of unfair relationship when its a credit card? (I cant afford another lawyer)
    3. what other grounds could I possibly get this debt written off on (please back up with case law/decisions- i will research
    4. how can I find out exactly what they paid halifax for the debt because I am 100% sure they have lied-so would like to have the hard evidence in court to discredit them
    5. any opinions on my using the fact that despite knowing the judge had held a loan unenforceable, and particularly
    6. other things that maybe relevant I am a vulnerable person, disabled and had previous brain injury.
    7.anyone know the full ins and outs of assignment (ie halifax had knowledge of my injuries etc) how can i use this against 1st credit (so many names)
    8. I want to counter claim for harassment. the issue is the harassment is regarding the unenforecable loan. its not a matter they have brought into issue in this claim ie made subject to claim, so not sure i can do it, and dont want to risk bringing in the second loan as I am not a barrister or lawyer who would win on the facts so im worried i might mess up.

    finally I would like to point out, I never took out these loans and card to avoid paying, and i was paying until halifax refused to return this missold PPI despite admission it was missold. however, i dislike the underhand dishonest way they have acted with me, and in particular selling off the loan and card when they had lost. and I really dislike this first credit company.so I aim to win. helllllllp.
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    Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

    Hi and welcome!
    Originally posted by teecup View Post
    In 2012 halifax claimed one of the loans in court and lost on every ground. the judge held there was an unfair relationship and the loan was legally uneforceable. he found the amount of correspondance from halifax demanding repayment was unacceptable. following the decision, the other loan was also unenforceable due to being based on exactly the same facts however, halifax promptly sold it to connaught collections/cai finance limited/ 1st credit. they also sold the credit card to them. I informed connaught immediately that the loan was legally unenforceable and referred them back to halifax. nevertheless they continued to harass me with threatening letters.
    You are saying you got judgment in your favour from a County Court, yet they are still asking you to repay? :scared:

    Originally posted by teecup View Post
    ist credit has now issued a county court claim for the credit card. In that claim they claim they bought the debt for exactly the amount that was owed by me to halifax. I doubt this but dont know how to definitely prove it. Ive issued an AOS, and want to defend in full.
    I know I can issue halifax with a dsar but how can I force them to tell me exactly what they sold it for, normally these debts are sold i bulk according to my understanding.
    I haven't got a clue about consumer law but have legal database access. help me beat this company please...just for justice against them.
    Your understanding is right, they are sold in bulk and normally for just around 10% of the alleged balance, however, the exact amount is private commercial information between the two parties involved, the debtor doesn't have access to that information, nor does it affect the amount claimed. A SAR wouldn't reveal that information because it's not personal data concerning you.
    Originally posted by teecup View Post
    Which act does my credit card come under? I know there was new legislation in 2006, but I think it hadn't come into effect when I took out the credit card?

    issues runnign through my mind are these and I invite you to give me any more pointers /advice please plus advice on these issues. thank you.
    With effect from April 2007, if you took out the card in 2006, it wouldn't affect it.

    Originally posted by teecup View Post
    1. I want to prove 1st credit/connaught/ cai/ etc are one and the same- ( a) because i understand the oft made dire findings against them before, and (b) I want to try to argue against their costs. i need hard evidence for a judge, not opinion.
    You may want to look at this thread, where Labman (and others) have done a bit of research: :spy: http://www.legalbeagles.info/forums/...1st-Credit-Ltd

    I'll be back... :typing:

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      Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

      Dormant company Connaught Collections UK Ltd has two directors: http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02880785#people-tab

      Mr Edward Brian Nott and Mr Simon Gerald Dighton

      Edward Brian Nott is a director of 14 companies, including various 1st Crud entities as well as CAI Finance Ltd: http://companycheck.co.uk/director/906173410

      Simon Dighton holds 25 appointments, including various 1st Crud outfits as well as CAI Finance Ltd: http://companycheck.co.uk/director/907815156

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        Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

        Originally posted by teecup View Post
        In 2012 halifax claimed one of the loans in court and lost on every ground. the judge held there was an unfair relationship and the loan was legally uneforceable. he found the amount of correspondance from halifax demanding repayment was unacceptable. following the decision, the other loan was also unenforceable due to being based on exactly the same facts however, halifax promptly sold it to connaught collections/cai finance limited/ 1st credit. they also sold the credit card to them. I informed connaught immediately that the loan was legally unenforceable and referred them back to halifax. nevertheless they continued to harass me with threatening letters.
        Are we talking about the same loan here, are they chasing you for the loan where you have JUDGMENT IN YOUR FAVOUR? or for the other one?

        What happened with the other loan? Did it go to court at all? Was the claim discontinued? Stayed? Did you get any written admission that it was unenforceable? Or are you just making this assumption based on the other one?

        Originally posted by teecup View Post
        going back to halifax: regarding the credit card:
        On 8 Dec 2007 they issued a default notice under s87(1) cc act 1974. (does this stop interest being added, what other effects does it have?)
        i paid some contributions between dec 2007 & march 2008 approx.
        Have you still got this Default Notice? If so, could you remove your personal details and post it up? A bad DN could certainly help your defence! :grin:

        You may want to look at this case: http://www.watsonssolicitors.co.uk/harrison.html

        Originally posted by teecup View Post
        anyone know the full ins and outs of assignment (ie halifax had knowledge of my injuries etc) how can i use this against 1st credit (so many names)
        Debts can be sold regardless of the issues behind them, there's no law against selling disputed or unenforceable debts.
        Did you get a Notice of Assignment?

        Originally posted by teecup View Post
        finally I would like to point out, I never took out these loans and card to avoid paying, and i was paying until halifax refused to return this missold PPI despite admission it was missold. however, i dislike the underhand dishonest way they have acted with me, and in particular selling off the loan and card when they had lost. and I really dislike this first credit company.so I aim to win. helllllllp.
        No need to worry about that, there's a lot of us in the same boat. I haven't paid my credit cards since 2010! :thumb: The banks have been responsible for the global financial meltdown that left a lot of people without an income, :wof: and they don't care about anyone's circumstances. They have no morals, :rant: so no need to worry about that side of things! :hug:

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          Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

          How much is the claim for? Could you remove your personal details and post up the PoC?

          And one more question: did you receive a letter before action from 1st Crud (or any solicitors acting for them) before the claim was issued?
          Last edited by FlamingParrot; 3rd May 2013, 10:45:AM. Reason: Added bit

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            Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

            Once you have provided the necessary details above, you may consider PMing PT2537 with a link to this thread, he is a specialist consumer lawyer :yo: who has successfully defended a number of cases in favour of the consumer. :first: http://www.watsonssolicitors.co.uk/services.html

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              Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

              Hi, thank you all for posting responses. I have contacted the above solicitors office and busy all day scanning..still more to do (so dreary). I will get back and answer these posts later hopefully...in the meantime back to scanning :-(

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                              Re: cc claim Cai finance/connaught collections/ etc etc credit card (there was PPI)

                              to answer some of the above: the bank has chased me for the loan I won on. (I will sue on this).

                              the second loan is the same facts, so according to my solicitor its legally unenforceable and I was to send the original bank the judgement and ask them to drop it, but by the time the judgment came they had sold it quickly onto 1st credit. obviously they sold it because they knew it was unenforceable having just lost. this second loan is for a bigger amt. they wouldnt have given up chasing if they thought they could recoup.
                              1st credit wrote and called and I told them it was legally unenforceable and referred them to get back to the bank about being sold a dud debt. they have continued to chase me and threatened bankruptcy proceedings etc.

                              the credit card is the one claimed on at the mo. by first credit finance 5 limited or CAI finance as they prefer to call themselves.

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