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Query regarding proof of debt claim amount and the process

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  • Query regarding proof of debt claim amount and the process

    Hello all,

    I hope you don’t mind me getting straight to the point.

    I am having difficulty completing a proof of debt form and am hoping someone here is familiar with the process of making a claim with an insolvency practitioner.

    Briefly, three years ago, I was wrongly sued by a shareholder. The petition went to trial, and the judge dismissed the case. The judge's order required the petitioner to pay my legal costs on the standard basis up to a specific date, and on an indemnity basis thereafter, to be subject to detailed assessment if not agreed. The order also included a clause for the petitioner to make a payment on account of £99,000 (70% of my costs) by a specific deadline. Two months after the judgment, the petitioner declared bankruptcy. I now need to register as a creditor with the insolvency practitioner.

    My question concerns the 'total amount of claim' on the proof of debt form. My total legal costs are £146,000. To pay these, I took out personal loans and used credit cards, accruing approximately £14,000 in interest (£6,500 from loans and £7,500 from credit cards).

    Should I claim for £146,000 (legal costs only) or am I allowed to include the £14,000 in interest from the loans and credit cards?

    When I first contacted the IP, I was told I could only claim the amount awarded by the court. However, the judgment did not specify a final figure. I subsequently emailed the IP, stating my intention to claim for all costs, including the interest. The IP replied, pointing out that the costs order was "subject to detailed assessment if not agreed," and asked if this assessment had taken place.

    The petitioner never discussed the costs. He made a settlement offer of £40,000, which I rejected, and then declared bankruptcy. The situation is incredibly frustrating.

    My key questions are:

    1. What is a "detailed assessment"?
    2. How do I obtain one, especially now that the petitioner is bankrupt?

    If anyone is familiar with this process, your advice would be greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks!
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  • #2
    Detailed Assessment is the process by which the court determines the amount of costs to be paid pursuant to an order to pay costs.

    I suggest you include your full claim for the legal costs you have paid and ask the IP to agree it. He may not agree the interest on sums you have borrowed.
    Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

    Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

    https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

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    • #3
      Not a good news. I have just googled this detailed assessment and the process, it turns out I needed to serve my bill of costs to the petitioner first after the judgement letter was issued, then wait for 21 days and apply for the court to assess and approve my costs. My solicitor did not mention anything about what the detailed assessment was and how to get it, he also did not tell me to send my bill of costs to the petitioner within 3 months. I am panicking now, am I right to think I am not able to claim my legal costs from the IP now?
      Last edited by DCASTLE; 28th October 2025, 20:31:PM.

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      • #4
        No. Just put your claim in. You have the court order for costs.
        Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

        Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

        https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

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        • #5
          Originally posted by atticus View Post
          No. Just put your claim in. You have the court order for costs.
          First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my thread; I am very grateful.

          Regarding the claim, this is what the IP wrote to me today:
          "Can you please explain in detail how you have arrived at the figure of £160K? Taken from the high court judgement: ‘The Petitioner shall pay the Fourth Respondent’s costs on the standard basis to a specific date and on an indemnity basis thereafter, to be subject to detailed assessment if not agreed.’

          Can you confirm if it was agreed? And if not, was there a detailed assessment?"

          I informed the IP that the petitioner did not discuss or agree to anything regarding the judgement. Furthermore, there was no detailed assessment.

          Why would the IP ask whether or not there was a detailed assessment?

          I have sent the IP a copy of all my legal costs. I have not yet submitted evidence for the loans and credit card interest, as I am waiting to see what the IP comments on those amounts.

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          • #6
            Because he wants to know if the court determined a figure.
            Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

            Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

            https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

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            • #7
              Originally posted by atticus View Post
              Because he wants to know if the court determined a figure.
              Thank you for clarifying that. I must say I did not sleep much last night.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by atticus View Post
                No. Just put your claim in. You have the court order for costs.
                I have followed your advice to put my claim in to the IP along with my costs evidence. Thank you so much for your help and advice.

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                • #9
                  Hello everyone,

                  I would appreciate some further advice, please.

                  The Insolvency Practitioner (IP) has contacted me requesting a copy of the Statement of Costs. They indicated that my solicitor should have filed and served this document before the hearing.

                  I am not familiar with this statement. Should I not have received a copy from my solicitor when it was submitted to the court?

                  Additionally, I have now filed a formal complaint with the solicitor's firm regarding my missing documents. I suspect my solicitor is no longer willing to communicate or work with me. Given this situation, what are my options? Is there an alternative way for me to obtain a copy of the Statement of Costs?

                  Thank you very much for your help.

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