Refugee Crisis

[enaid]

Re: Refugee Crisis

Well me thinks things is worsening and tbh I think if you want the genuine asylum seekers quota you will have to go get em yerself.
To have all the unrest , financial and indeed humane dilemma the border countries are facing will be the end of the EU in a way that will never be repaired or imho ever be able to be negotiated again.
Not that I am or have ever been a EU fan I voted against the Common Market all those years ago (as did all of the folks I would ask up here) I firmly believe the EU is a cash cow for the rich and always will be.
No harm in opening yer arms to GENUINE folks in real danger, but when you see the same folks fighting the supposedly folks who are there to help them, one wonders why they can not put up the same fight to save their own and what's theirs in their own country.

[nemesis45]

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Evidence that many of these " migrants" allegedly refugees are nothing of the sort and have paid in some cases £10k to get to Europe, clearly not the poor oppressed or underprivileged persons they purport to be!
A considerable number also are not from Syria at all.

nem

[enaid]

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Evidence that many of these " migrants" allegedly refugees are nothing of the sort and have paid in some cases £10k to get to Europe, clearly not the poor oppressed or underprivileged persons they purport to be!
A considerable number also are not from Syria at all.

nem

Correct, but apparently we have no way of, or not a secure way to properly verify anyone until it's too late. Once our system has identified folks who are not a true Asylum Seeker or indeed not a threat, it just may be too late for our security or social security system

[nemesis45]

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Correct, but apparently we have no way of, or not a secure way to properly verify anyone until it's too late. Once our system has identified folks who are not a true Asylum Seeker or indeed not a threat, it just may be too late for our security or social security system

Quite so Enaid, The statement by the head of MI15 is significant at this time, in the area in which I worked the status is " Clear & Present Threat"
Not since the IRA Bombing that maimed a military policeman outside heis quarters has this been so high for so long.
The UK is greatly under defended and the Border Agency ineffectual and badly trained.
Many of my friends and I ex senior officers feel that it is time to deploy the army at ports and airports and having seen the state of border agency officers and airport police on my recent visit to Africa and the ME I fail top see any sign of real vigilance or even in some cases fitness to carry out the tasks entrusted to them, basically we are deep in the muck now!

nem

[judgemental24]

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When these people consider it safer to cross the med in a dingy than remain in their own country the economic argument is De minimis

Or have we already forgotten the death of that little boy

Seems strange does it not the report from the head of M15 the very day questions are being asked by Tory Mps as to the legality of Government action and drones

Not to mention dropping in the hint as to the snoopers charter being debated again

[nemesis45]

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When these people consider it safer to cross the med in a dingy than remain in their own country the economic argument is De minimis

Or have we already forgotten the death of that little boy

Seems strange does it not the report from the head of M15 the very day questions are being asked by Tory Mps as to the legality of Government action and drones

Not to mention dropping in the hint as to the snoopers charter being debated again

The point is a considerable number of the alleged " refugees" are not Syrians but Afghans, Somalis, Iranians and Iraq nationals.
+ the not improbable conclusion that a number are IS terrorist.
Why dose the Saudi regime offer to pay for mosques in Germany?? Obviously they don't want the problem of Muslim terrorists turning up on their doorstep.

[Berniethebolt]

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There may be terrorists although I think it unlikely , after all they could arrange legal entry into their target countries. We must stop thinking about the race or religion of these people but decide if they genuinely need help.

[judgemental24]

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Why do you use that term "MUSLIM TERRORIST"??

The majority of people who worship the muslim faith are peaceful

They are extreme islamic terrorists who subscribe to ISIS, Just like the KKK terrorists in the christian religion. What about David Koresh and the Branch Dividians or Anders Breivik

I expect that sort of language from the Daily Mail

The reason why the gulf states do not want to get involved is that they have not signed the international charter/convention for the protection of refugees. They have their own migrant work force from Asia and the Indian sub conttient. These migrant workers outstrip the indigenous population two to one, have no rights and are exploited

[FlamingParrot]

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When these people consider it safer to cross the med in a dingy than remain in their own country the economic argument is De minimis

Or have we already forgotten the death of that little boy

Seems strange does it not the report from the head of M15 the very day questions are being asked by Tory Mps as to the legality of Government action and drones

Not to mention dropping in the hint as to the snoopers charter being debated again

A lot has been made of the death of a little boy, I'm not saying it wasn't a tragedy but when I was in Spain 10 years ago it was an almost daily occurrence to have people crossing the med on all sorts of makeshift craft, often run by gangs who charged for the privilege of boarding overcrowded ships where only half the passengers made it alive to Spain and the other half drowned, starved or died of hypothermia in the winter along the way.

It wasn't always clear whether they were fleeing poverty, conflict, or both in Sub-Saharan Africa, but some people who were interviewed walked for a year from their home countries in Equatorial Africa, across the jungle and the desert, to get to the Moroccan Coast and be on their way across. Given the overall poverty and instability of most African countries, it's not surprising. It's a huge problem and not one that can be easily solved. Spain is a bigger country than the UK yet they didn't think it was fair on them to have to absorb them all simply because they are geographically closest to Africa. :noidea:

[judgemental24]

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When i was stationed on Gibralter the only people crossing the med from Morocco were hash traffickers. They used anything from a dingy to a canoe, anything that floated

[Berniethebolt]

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I used the words because that was my interpretation of the meaning of the previous post. The terrorists of IS consider themselves Muslim although the vast majority of Muslims do not condone their activity. It is odd how even non practising non believing people from some countries are called and identify themselves as Islamic or Muslim just as most of the western world is considered Christian.

All rubbish i know.
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The reason why the gulf states do not want to get involved is that they have not signed the international charter/convention for the protection of refugees. They have their own migrant work force from Asia and the Indian sub conttient. These migrant workers outstrip the indigenous population two to one, have no rights and are exploited

Aren't all workers exploited?
Surplus labour
false class consciousness

[Berniethebolt]

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Quite so Enaid, The statement by the head of MI15 is significant at this time, in the area in which I worked the status is " Clear & Present Threat"
Not since the IRA Bombing that maimed a military policeman outside heis quarters has this been so high for so long.
The UK is greatly under defended and the Border Agency ineffectual and badly trained.
Many of my friends and I ex senior officers feel that it is time to deploy the army at ports and airports and having seen the state of border agency officers and airport police on my recent visit to Africa and the ME I fail top see any sign of real vigilance or even in some cases fitness to carry out the tasks entrusted to them, basically we are deep in the muck now!

nem

if we allow that we have lost any resemblance to a democracy. It would be time for people to reclaim their rights from what would be a military dictatorship

[judgemental24]

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Those that can give up essential liberty to attain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Benjamin Franklin


Freedom and justice cannot be parcelled out to suit political conscience. I do not believe you can stand for freedom of one group of people and deny it to others

[wales01man]

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Every day we see film of young fit men in the majority trying to get into Europe as Refugees? from War torn countries some from Afghanistan.

Why are they not fighting for their freedom in the Country of their birth we sent soldiers to Afghanistan and Iraq to fight and DIE for their freedom why should not these fit and able young men stay and fight for a better Country free from war and violence I suspect many of them are of the same Religion as the warring factions use the Faith they have to destroy those who wish to destroy the Country

[Berniethebolt]

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What we see is an agenda spread and fostered by the media . I do not see the correlation between their Religion and their country of origin. You see the pictures, do you know their stories?
I am sure there will be some stories that make you glad to live in a country such as here, imperfect as it is