EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Whilst Andy specialises in getting threads closed or moved to the Lamp Post, it is worth noting that the penny has recently dropped for him that fees die if the debt is returned. Even in Andy's confused mind, it would be some feat for the debtor to end up owing more after sitting it out and getting the debt returned

If you return to your base of operations you will find thread after thread of people who/ have followed this advice all of whom come back asking why the bailiff is still knocking, just don't want to have the same thing happen here.

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

If they want to pass money to the EA from profits or other budgets that's up to them. However, they are not passing on money to the detriment of the debtor's arrears.

This betrays your child like understanding of accounting systems

[Crazy council]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

that fees die if the debt is returned.

Just wrong. Once it has got to the stage of allowing the fees to be applied, Agents choice if he applies or not, there is no legal way i know ( am an idiot, dont reliy on me ), to avoid them.

Although, there are ways to challenge the appropreatness of them, within the council systems, as explained earlier.

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Whilst Andy specialises in getting threads closed or moved to the Lamp Post, it is worth noting that the penny has recently dropped for him that fees die if the debt is returned. Even in Andy's confused mind, it would be some feat for the debtor to end up owing more after sitting it out and getting the debt returned

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Sorry to dissapoint you pote but your efforts have established prescisly nothing

Really this thread needs closing IMO. If just to protect the innocent menmber who may think they can avoid fees and end up owing more.
The truth of all this was established beyond any doubt months ago,it is just being trailed up again by the same two people for the same self serving reason

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

Sorry to dissapoint you pote but your efforts have established prescisly nothing

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

hi

try a read through these and there responses ( can be complex ), it will give you a better idea of the systems

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-382652
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-251679


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-250209
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-246022
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-180850


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...#comment-15994
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...utgoing-106652
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-126084
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...outgoing-89282
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-117952

Some interesting factual info there, thanks

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Spot on Al. This is why I (and I think you agree with me), I always recommend sitting it out as opposed to paying the creditor directly.

If the council don't stop enforcement, why pay them. This seems like a one way deal where the council can't loose. There is nothing to be gained if enforcement isn't stopped and the debtor's hand is weakened as the debt is paid.

Offer to clear the debt by all means but make sure that the council agree to stop enforcement first. If they refuse, they can wait for their money. Place the ball firmly in their court, this could be advantageous further on down the line.

I really do not know where to start with this nonsense, so I will not bother.

The last paragraph made me laugh so hard, hold the council to ransom. Lbizzy they are demanding from you not the other way around. Nice to were you returning to your fmotl roots.��

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

Spot on Al. This is why I (and I think you agree with me), I always recommend sitting it out as opposed to paying the creditor directly.

If the council don't stop enforcement, why pay them. This seems like a one way deal where the council can't loose. There is nothing to be gained if enforcement isn't stopped and the debtor's hand is weakened as the debt is paid.

Offer to clear the debt by all means but make sure that the council agree to stop enforcement first. If they refuse, they can wait for their money. Place the ball firmly in their court, this could be advantageous further on down the line.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Aye-oop, Fenland have just replied.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

hi

try a read through these and there responses ( can be complex ), it will give you a better idea of the systems

I've read most of those before - it's perhaps going back too far as legislation has changed and includes dealings with small business etc.

What my FoI's have established so far is that over 80% of the answers so far say that when a debtor pays all or some of their arrears direct to the council after the EA has been instructed, they don't pass any of that payment to the EA, as Andy58 says. They confirm that the bailiff has to make other arrangements to collect their fees.

Now of course that means they have to keep pursuing the debtor for the fees, but the amount on the LO has been satisfied.

[Crazy council]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

hi

try a read through these and there responses ( can be complex ), it will give you a better idea of the systems

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-382652
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-251679


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-250209
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-246022
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-180850


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...#comment-15994
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...utgoing-106652
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-126084
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...outgoing-89282
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...ncoming-117952

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

Thre other accounting centers within there systems they can use are 1. The court fees proffit, 2. Minimum service level fees.

If they want to pass money to the EA from profits or other budgets that's up to them. However, they are not passing on money to the detriment of the debtor's arrears.

[Big Al]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

but that does not meen that they dont pass on a payment to the EA, just that they do not pass on fees out of direct payment.

Greenwich: No money is passed to the Enforcement Agent.

[Crazy council]

Re: EA fees and Councils and FOI's discussion

but that does not meen that they dont pass on a payment to the EA, just that they do not pass on fees out of direct payment. Thre other accounting centers within there systems they can use are 1. The court fees proffit, 2. Minimum service level fees.

I think your sort of missing something in the fog here.

payments made to the LO, for CT or NNDR owed in the CURRENT financial year. and, payment made after teh current financial year.

The immediate difference is choice. In the FY, the LO holds the responsibility for the appropriateness of charging the extra fees against the account.

Hence, if you just pay what you owe ( plus court fees but minus EA fees,) to the LA, within the FY, then complain to the correct officer, and you have reason for your complaint. The LO absorbs the fees.

You really really do need to understand about how they run there accounting systems in general, accounting and charging centers, before you can correctly ask and interpret an FOI response in relation to movement and application of fees across there systems