Another bailiff discussion thread.

[Crazy council]

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As you say it is the implementation which still has to be worked out.

Agreed, Ther part that is of interest to me is around CT and NNDR, for other baillifs stuff, i support them fully, have used there services in the past. I mentioned above my specific interest, and am wandering if any council will have to pay the bailiffs the full fees for any accounts withdrawn.

Am hoping, that some politicians notice the abuse of system around CT and bailiffs, and make special regulations for public services employing bailiffs. Cost included. But i doubt any baillifs firm will let a challenge on charges for CT get to high court.

What i was trying to point out to ST, is that there more regulation involved when a bailiff is collecting for a council because they are legally an agent of the council, and 1 officer within the council at least, has the delegated responsibility to ensure the proper operation of the system, including the reasonableness of charges. IE, a complainant has the right to complain about excess charges directly to the council, and an officer is supposed make an assesment.

What is really interesting with the above, is charges relating to the current years CT or NNDR, were payment is made before the end of the financial year and charges are added. And if these would legally stand up, especially now the initial charges for the bailiffs are so high.

It seem to be a legally gray area were legislation and public responsibility clashes,

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[QUOTE=Crazy council;452125]Baillif regs

Ok, but, i do understand the new regs, but there is very little legal procedure that deals with the application of them yet, not enough to give people advice anyhow. I stick to what i know.
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I am sure you do, they really are not that complex. Problems arise when people try and make them say things they never intended to say.

As you say it is the implementation which still has to be worked out.

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Nice response CC, I hope it didn't take you too long because I'm sure most people would have realised, my post wasn't directed at you.

[Crazy council]

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When you've managed to give yourself a basic understanding on the new bailiff regs, you can come back & start preaching to me about council complaint procedures.

Baillif regs

Ok, but, i do understand the new regs, but there is very little legal procedure that deals with the application of them yet, not enough to give people advice anyhow. I stick to what i know.

Council procedures

That i do know about, due to my research, my research has not just involved complaints, its involved court action direct against officers. I have had 3 senoir managers dismmised from there posts, i was included in a autdit commision PIR in 2009 ( my research on accounts ) . I am the first member of the public to trigger a CIPFA investigation into a public sevice ( thats what got 3 dismissed ). A complaint to SRA had a local solicitor setep down and a local ward councilors.

Further to that, as i said earlyer, i also joined a group that got the old york LGO head removed/replaced.

Heres another clue for you-Each LA has its own complaints procedure,

I told you that earlyer,

I am currently dealing with a council whos stage 1 is contact via telephone, stage 2 is a written complaint & stage 3 is the LGO. Starting at the recovery officer or head of revenues in this instance would have been incorrect.

If its to do with revenue or collections, it would have been dealt with by teh revenues and benefit manager. The final stage prior the LGO, would be in the CEOs name, but done by the monitoring officer. Like i said ealyer. Who do you think has the delegated powers ( localisam act ) to deal with complaints.

Your obsession is understandable

Probably correct, but my obsession, won me my house back, removed £ 238,000 in legal charges, and ended up with some compo...

There is no one on here capable of correcting my ideas because I am right.

And then you say to someone

I'm afraid you will have to keep on living in your fantasy world.

Lol, do you get the irony in that,

But, ST, i really do understand council procedures and systems quite well, also the FOI and DPA acts, i specificaly have a nack at being able to get documentation out of councils that they say dont exist, or, getting them to follow regs. I notice you say you have a complaint in with your LA..... This is a straight up offer of help...... If you PM me the details, and any docs you think should exist on the council systems that back up your complaint, I will give you my opinion, and i wil not disclose or discuss any of the details with anyone.....am very mutch a man of my word. My names George by teh way

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Save it for someone who gives a flying one rich boy

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Incidentally I would try and curb the name calling on here, you don't want to get yourself banned I am sure, and it does nothing for your credibility, just makes you look like another FMOTL nut job. friendly advice

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You might want to actually ask Milo herself before you come out with such ridiculous & clueless statements.

Your post sums up exactly what is wrong with these boards. Its "Milo this", "TT that" like a bunch of sheep.

I notice you've been clutching onto the hope that Milo will dive in & fight your corner-It's not going to happen I'm afraid.

One thing she did tell me yesterday is that she has a high opinion of you. I actually think you're a crank. You read what you want to read without actually understanding what is written, You think I'm some kind of FMOTL nutter who posts hopeless causes & urges others to do the same. When you've referenced 1-JUST 1 post of mine where I've given someone bad advice or urged them to do a crazy thing then you can come back and tell me about it. Untill then, I'm afraid you will have to keep on living in your fantasy world.

No I mention it because Milo happened to mention it on another thread, I wondered how you would explain it that is all. I am gratified to hear that milo has a nigh opinion of my knowledge, it is mutual, i guess that makes us both cranks.

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You might want to actually ask Milo herself before you come out with such ridiculous & clueless statements.

Your post sums up exactly what is wrong with these boards. Its "Milo this", "TT that" like a bunch of sheep.

I notice you've been clutching onto the hope that Milo will dive in & fight your corner-It's not going to happen I'm afraid.

One thing she did tell me yesterday is that she has a high opinion of you. I actually think you're a crank. You read what you want to read without actually understanding what is written, You think I'm some kind of FMOTL nutter who posts hopeless causes & urges others to do the same. When you've referenced 1-JUST 1 post of mine where I've given someone bad advice or urged them to do a crazy thing then you can come back and tell me about it. Untill then, I'm afraid you will have to keep on living in your fantasy world.

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No one more knowledgeable than Milo on here and milo seems to have the same opinion as me, how do you explain this. ?

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Are these the same ideas of mine that have cost bailiff companies £1000's?

You have demonstrated a lack of understanding of topics and debates and your arguments when falling back onto the new regulations are generally irrelevant (quoting Par 58 of Schedule 12 for example)

There is no one on here capable of correcting my ideas because I am right.

Your obsession is understandable.

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When you've managed to give yourself a basic understanding on the new bailiff regs, you can come back & start preaching to me about council complaint procedures.

Heres another clue for you-Each LA has its own complaints procedure, many do not have a "final stage". I am currently dealing with a council whos stage 1 is contact via telephone, stage 2 is a written complaint & stage 3 is the LGO. Starting at the recovery officer or head of revenues in this instance would have been incorrect.

Your obsession is understandable.

Today i was going to have a go at correcting some of your ideas on this thread, however after seeing how poorly you accept knowledgeable input from others I decided that I would be wasting my time.

However if anyone feels is confused in the same fashion by your ramblings I will of course be glad to assist.

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Obviously not this is why it is called the "final stage" there is a clue in the name

When you've managed to give yourself a basic understanding on the new bailiff regs, you can come back & start preaching to me about council complaint procedures.

Heres another clue for you-Each LA has its own complaints procedure, many do not have a "final stage". I am currently dealing with a council whos stage 1 is contact via telephone, stage 2 is a written complaint & stage 3 is the LGO. Starting at the recovery officer or head of revenues in this instance would have been incorrect.

Your obsession is understandable.

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Very interesting reading CC

[Crazy council]

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And even though most council complaints procedures final stage is reviewed by the CEO, this is done by the monitoring officer, who is usualy also the head of legal ( but not always )

What make this interesting, is they may be gettable through SRA regs. Thats the angle i have been looking at in relation to why councils seem to be able to produce false documents for court, or withhold them during investigations. The LGO was usless, the SRA are much more efficient.

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Oh right-So you now accept that the final stage of the complaints procedure is investigated by the CEO but "theres no point complaining to the CEO"

Priceless. (cough spit my tea out)

Obviously not this is why it is called the "final stage" there is a clue in the name