The face of evil?

Pure evil... (link)

[CleverClogs]

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[Sapphire]

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Cloggy I havn't got time to read through all that, what does it say then, in a nutshell ?

[Celestine]

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That just like extraordinary rendition, great Britain is assisting the USA in every method possible to drone kill suspected terrorists.

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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tried to understand it, honest, but it took 747 over my head..

Is this about terror suspects being deported?

[bluebottle]

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If you want a candidate for Face of Evil, I nominate Saul Alinsky, a Marxist agitator, whose creed "Rules for Radicals" is responsible for a lot of what is wrong in this country and the world. Alinsky is now dead, but his "disciples" are doing their best to create chaos and have people at each other's throats. Have a look on the CP Exposed website for further information. It is reckoned that Muslims are the latter-day Jews. Hitler claimed the Jews were to blame for what was wrong with the world and should be eliminated, but now it's the Muslims who are being used as scapegoats. I know Muslims who live near me. I respect their beliefs and they respect my belief system, as a Spiritualist, which regards Mohammed as an Ascended Master, a great spiritual leader. They seem quite happy with that.

[CleverClogs]

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Is this about terror suspects being deported?

No - it's about UK citizens having their citizenship revoked by Mad Madame May, before those former British citizens are kidnapped or murdered by the American military.

It seems to be part of the UK/USA plan to ensure that jihadist "terrorism" proliferates.

[enquirer]

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Pure evil...

Remember the 'demon eyes' election poster? I've always wondered why it seemed to hit such a raw nerve.

[enquirer]

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It seems to be part of the UK/USA plan to ensure that jihadist "terrorism" proliferates.

Always ask cui bono?

[CleverClogs]

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Always ask cui bono?

As did Marcus Tullius Cicero... :nerd:

In this case, it is obvious who benefits from an indefinite proliferation of the terrorist "threat":

1. The industrial-military complex, who will thus have a reason for using ever more expensive weapons
2. The snollygosters in power at the time, as they will have an excuse for ever more repressive laws
3. The state of Israel, as they can continue to pretend they are "the good guys" and part of the solution rather than being a significant part of the problem.

[basa48]

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OK maybe I'm missing something here, but it is very apparent the UK and the majority of the Western world are in a war with certain elements we call terrorists. The reasons for this war are complex and go back many years. However it is war unlike the last two World Wars in that the enemy is (to a great extent) within. Evidence the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks.

I don't accept for one second that the likes of MI5, FBI and all the other security services pick random names out of the phone book to make them targets for 'disposition' and assassination. They surely have better things to do. Sure the evidence against these individuals may be slim, we really don't know since most of it was probably obtained covertly and to disclose it would damage future efforts to weed out futher 'persons of interest'. I note some of the people mentioned had already been involved in 'jihadist' style fighting abroad and then attempt to return 'home' to the UK no doubt bringing what they have learned about guerrilla or terrorist fighting with them. I say 'home' in inverted commas since they obviously regard Pakistan as their true home having retained their citizenship there.

Now look at the problem we had ridding ourselves of Hamza and Qatada. Letting them leave and disallowing their return seems a much simpler way to deal with the problem. So what if the 'leavers' end up in a war zone and get killed? Whose choice was it to enter a war zone?

Even with all the efforts and resources available to the security services terrorists still get through, so any devices that reduce the number of possible risks gets my vote.

[CleverClogs]

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And if I were to ring a bell, basa, would you salivate? :grin:

[enaid]

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Here is my candidate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22061796

[basa48]

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And if I were to ring a bell, basa, would you salivate? :grin:

Unlike those who tow the 'we should leave the poor freedom fighters alone' line like you CC - no I don't. But I do resent the implication that I am led not learned.

[CleverClogs]

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Unlike those who tow the 'we should leave the poor freedom fighters alone' line like you CC - no I don't. But I do resent the implication that I am led not learned.

I'd not suggest that they be "left alone", but do contend that our present policy is unlikely to succeed.

The best way to tackle terrorism is to remove their motivating factors, one of which is the festering sore of the state of Israel. Yes, the people of Israel should be free from the risk of (unguided) rockets from Gaza, but equally the people of Gaza should be free from air strikes, drone attacks and armoured incursions by Israel. The West has simply faffed around for fifty years whilst one side then the other committed one outrage after another and, whilst it may be too simplistic to blame jihadist militancy solely on the problem of the Jewish Question, it would be equally naive to pretend that their "Final Solution" might actually win them friends in adjacent states.