What is the world coming to

[iancognito]

oh and I don't think it matters if you are married or not, as to how your kids turn out. Where you live, your 'freinds', the community, the media, education and the government have more to answer for IMO.

No responsibility from the parents then

[Tempty]

Hubby and I have been together for 17yrs and married for just the last 3!!
we have 2 beautifull healthy boy's together aged 13 and 10. both born out of wedlock.

Delta's comment did not offend me one bit!
I understood what she meant. It's not the people like you and I pj that are in solid relationships but not actually married! or those who were together in a relationship...never married...and the relationship failed!
it's the growing number of young girls that dilliberatly go out of their way to get pregnant...purely for the purpose of getting a flat and haveing the state pay for their living!! you cannot deney in this day and age that this is indeed a growing concern. I live on a very large council estate and I have witnessed these young girls doing just that!! there are two blocks of flat's very close to my house, the majority of them are housing these young girls with children. And yet when my hubby (then partner) and I wanted to apply for a house we were told we would have to wait at least 4 yrs!!........ why?? beacause I was'nt single....... and was with a partner that was working for a living!! hubby and I were very lucky, we moved back in with his mother for a year, with a young baby (his mother was an elderly lady of 74......lol had hubby late in life) just so that we could scrape enough together for a deposit on a flat of our own. As it happens we came accross this house as an ex council property that had been re possesed. 12 yrs on and we are still here.

So it's not people like you and I Delta was getting at..... but these young girls having children purley for a free ride.....ffs there is one near me.... she is 21 now, she has 5 kids!!!! Does she stay in and care for them??.......does she hell!!!

[enaid]

I believe that there is no such thing as a single parent unless you are widowed , I think fathers should be made to pay for the upkeep of their children come what may. In this day and age, there must be a way to implement this in a fair way and take the onus of the state.

[Paradox]

I believe that there is no such thing as a single parent unless you are widowed , I think fathers should be made to pay for the upkeep of their children come what may. In this day and age, there must be a way to implement this in a fair way and take the onus of the state.

So what about the women that bugger off and leave the kids to the father??

[enaid]

Yep I have known a couple of lovely blokes who have done a great job bringing up their kids on their own, they did have help from family as it happened and both of them held their jobs.
Suppose I am wrong in my way of thinking then, I hold my hands up. I just watch some of the morons on tv most mornings bragging about doing nothing, not wanting to do anything and having 4 or 5 kids.
Most of them don't even see the kids let alone help with their upkeep.

[Fendyweather]

I blame the parents. They have no parenting skills at all. They encourage their children to read crap i.e. celebrity magazines, (who gives a sh*t) about celebrities. They are famous for er, wot, er er er being a celebrity. They let their kids insist on buying designer clothes and footwear, they positively encourage them to do it. Like they wont fit in if they dont do what everybody else is doing etc. etc. etc. . My kids get trainers from the local shoe shop, clothes from Marks and Sparks and primark, etc. no designer brands and my house and to be honest if they moaned about it, which they dont, I would tell them to be grateful for what they do have and show some appreciation. I would never ever ever ever ever give in to a child telling me they have to have designer gear of any kind. I am the parent, they are the child. I am in charge, not them.

Too many parents, saying, Oh go on then, that is not the answer. Teach them no, teach them trainers from Clarks, or local shoe shop are equally as good as designer if not better. I work in the designer bed linen world remember, so Im speaking from experience. Your designer gear is no better than your average clothes or shoe shop gear. Its the way the marketing people build up the brand that makes people think its better. BUT ITS NOT.

Too many parents, never learning to say the word NO and mean it, and stick to it, and ground the kids for whining if they even ask again for desinger sh*te.

It needs for parents to be parents again and not their childs best mate. Talk to your kids, get to know them as friends, but ultimately let them know you are the parents and what you say goes. Thats the only rule. You say no because you love them and want to teach them values. They can kick against it all they like but at the end of the day the adult is the boss. End of..................................... too many kids being disrespectful to their parents. What parent would let their kid go on holiday to Ghana on their own at 16, or even France for that matter without checking up on absolutely every step of the process of the holiday first. PARENTS TO BLAME. Kids for being little sh*ts yes. But the parents ultimately. xxxxxx

Fendy xxxx

[Sapphire]

I have a couple of points to make (sorry if it offends anyone, but I feel they are valid observations).

Marriage : Why not encourage people to enter into marriage, more people stay together when married then if they live together according to various studies. Why not reward them with a tax benefit for getting married, it worked for our parents didn't it ?

Young mums: Firstly why isn't anyone prosecuted for getting these young girls pregnant, I'm sure its still illegal to have sex with a minor. Perhaps a few prosecutions for just that will make people think more seriously about it, not all the young girls are getting pregnant by boys of their own age are they. Another thing why not put the onus on looking after these young girls with their offspring back onto the parents, perhaps if they taught them better morals and then there would be less teenage pregnancies.

Benefits: Perhaps by stopping child benefits for any more than say 2 children would encourage people to have less kids and rely less on the state and more on providing for them themselves.

The Childless: How about gving the childfree a tax break or two, when you think about it, its the childless people of this country that are supporting the families of the country. We pay the same council tax and yet we use less. We pay tax to support the country, take schools for example, we don't have children to send to them, so really we should have a rebate shouldn't we. Yes we use hospitals etc but (hopefully) we don't need to visit them as often. Oh there are lots of reasons why we should have a rebate but NO ONE sticks up for the childless.

Oooops sorry if I've upset anyone. Of course I would have liked to have children but unfortunately it wasn't to be. Yes I was lucky enough to meet someone with children and grandkids and a greatgrandaughter, and very proud of them I am too.

sapphire

[Sapphire]

AND ...............

In respect of these 2 young girls who have been arrested in Ghana for drug trafficking.
Fact: They were old enough and big and clever enough to lie to their parents about going on a school trip to France.
This proves the girls were not stupid at all but were in fact very clever and calculating to have covered their tracks so well. Yes the parents are accountable for not checking with the school first. And I honestly feel genuinely sorry for the families concerned but the fact remains those girls lied and cheated on their families.
They were taken on an 'all expenses paid' trip to Ghana, by someone they hardly knew. Oh hello surely the alarm bells should have started to ring, and they were asked to carry a bag each back to the U.K. These girls are not victims as such, they knew that they were doing wrong, and must have been aware that the bags contained something more than 'fresh air', I have read that they said they thought the bags were empty. Errrr hello have you ever carried 3.5 kilos it weighs a bit more than fresh air doesn't it.
Anyway I'm sorry much as I feel for the girls being banged up in a jail in a foreign place, they have done the crime, they took the risk and sadly they have to pay the price.
Perhaps this will serve as a warning for any others who are considering going on one of these free trips and bringing parcels back for others.

sapphire

[Mochamoos]

and we are back!


I agree Sapphire, when I made my original post there had been no mention of the parent.

[PJ69]

PJ, I am sorry it came out wrong,

no probs Jo - I'm in one of those 'delicate' frames of mind lately and it just hit a nerve - no harm done and I'm sorry for spouting off. Friends again? lol

Sorry Mocha hun, for things getting a little off track xxx

PJ xx

[Mochamoos]

Dont be sorry, I love things going off track you get to learn more about people that way

[Delta]

PJ, glad that you still want to be friends, was worrying that I had upset you, really really sowwy

[crashbandicoot]

It is upsetting to see how things are turning out...here are some of my observations/comments:

1) I was 'street-wise' by the time I was about five. I used to play on the streets all day long, go to the local shops, play in the park, and go back home in time for dinner. I used to walk in and out of friends and families houses, and our parents were never worried about our safety or whereabouts. If we fell over and got hurt, we'd hide our scratches and bruises as we'd get told off for being silly and getting hurt in the first place. IN COMPARISON my daughter is 8 and the only time I let her out is to go bike-riding on our road. Even then it's only for a few minutes at a time, and I'm constantly checking from the window to make sure she's ok;

2) When our parents went shopping we used to play outside the shop until they were done. IN COMPARISON I don't even feel comfortable leaving my kids locked in the car while I go and pay for petrol!

3) Designer gear/labels get up my nose. That's not to say I've never bought anything like this, but when I do it's a real treat for me...I don't even bother with them for the kids. I remember someone saying how they had to buy Walkers or 'top brand' crisps for their kids for the fear of them getting teased at school. I send my daughter to school with whatever was on offer that week, whether it was Walkers or Sainsbury's own...why implant your own insecurities on your kids? They'll pick up plenty of their own along the way!

Times have certainly changed a lot, thanks to a number of factors...ultimately though, I hope I can teach my kids respect and honesty, which I hope will help them tackle most of the crap that will get thrown at them as they get older.

Crash

[dorothy10]

Re: What is the world coming to

Yo! ok guy's I'm curious enough as to wonder why the blood & spittle is flying around here - how do you catch up, read these blobs Top to bottom or Bot to top or clink on something for orginal?
Hope to hear soon
Dorothy

[WendyB]

Re: What is the world coming to

You don't have to read every thread. The last post on this one was almost 2 years ago.

I always have the posts in date order, but by cilicking on user cp you can change the way you view threads.

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