True extent of David Cameron's arrogance

[Mr $quandaŁot]

I think that many of us find the Prime Minister extremely arrogant.

However, his comments about sending British troops to Calais shows the true extent of his arrogance and disrespect of not only British people but the French (and other nations) too!

[Kati]

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I've been watching this develop ... sad times

[Mr $quandaŁot]

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hello
This is my first post on Legal Beagles but i am interested in what you are on about, do you have more details

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nts-swarm-army

[Adrasteia]

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Hmm
Our Prime Minister has not suggested sending the army to Calais according to the article although I am sure the Guardian would have loved to say he had. It was a conservative MP Andrew Percy who said that but maybe he has a point. The French do exactly what they want anyway and are probably quite happy to let these scroungers come to England. Its about time we stood up to these namby pamby liberals .

But come on , lets be honest, we are being swamped with immigrants. There are parts of this country where not only do you not see a white face but you do not hear English being spoken ,

[des8]

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Several places in Wales I could name where English is a second minority language:tinysmile_twink_t2:

[mystery1]

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Several places in Wales I could name where English is a second minority language:tinysmile_twink_t2:

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[Mr $quandaŁot]

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Tory Party arrogance here relates to talk about sending troops to France, not so much about the immigration problem itself!

Going on about immigration is a clever plot that works. People then forget the extent of recent cuts and practically plans to end the welfare state.

Immigrants are an easy target and it's easy to blame them for the problems caused by recent governments, be it the Tories, Coalition or Labour. They have all contributed to the mess we are in at the moment, along with many financial institutions that had to be bailed out!

[meellis]

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Well done Squandalot, if they divert the arguments you then stir up the people with short sighted one sided views that have been force fed into them, like post 5. The people in Calais have already travelled thousands of miles for whatever reason and they have done it because they believe it is worthwhile. They are being told it is worth their while by the people who have a lot to gain from what they are told to believe in, like politicians and salesmen do. If politicians aren't getting anywhere with their views or are aware of the shortcomings they will, like the legal profession, divert the conversation/debate away so they don't get drawn into a argument that exposes them.

[Adrasteia]

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Tory Party arrogance here relates to talk about sending troops to France, not so much about the immigration problem itself!

Going on about immigration is a clever plot that works. People then forget the extent of recent cuts and practically plans to end the welfare state.

Immigrants are an easy target and it's easy to blame them for the problems caused by recent governments, be it the Tories, Coalition or Labour. They have all contributed to the mess we are in at the moment, along with many financial institutions that had to be bailed out!

The problem is, you started by saying that David Cameron had said lets send the troops in which was factually incorrect, you then talk about Tory party arrogance about sending troops in, yet again factually incorrect , it was one MP
There is no way that this will happen.

As for my claim about not hearing English spoken in this country -and i do not mean wales I mean England , pray tell me how that is not true. Go to Blackburn -asians, Leicester -Asians, Crewe Poles , Birmingham -a real mixture

[FlamingParrot]

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Well done Squandalot, if they divert the arguments you then stir up the people with short sighted one sided views that have been force fed into them, like post 5.

It's very true that the government (aided by the media) will use anything to divert attention from their lethal policies. In years gone by terrorism was high on the agenda; nowadays, in the absence of bombs, they have to find something else to focus people's minds on and immigration is a perfect subject since even those who belong to ethnic minorities or weren't born in the UK but have been here a long time believe enough is enough. Immigration is often blamed for the so-called 'housing cri$i$', when in fact, that's more to do with speculation and a lot of foreign inve$tor$ buying property in the UK not to live here but just to profit from it. Many of those foreigners responsible for inflated house prices don't live in the UK.

The people in Calais have already travelled thousands of miles for whatever reason and they have done it because they believe it is worthwhile. They are being told it is worth their while by the people who have a lot to gain from what they are told to believe in, like politicians and salesmen do. If politicians aren't getting anywhere with their views or are aware of the shortcomings they will, like the legal profession, divert the conversation/debate away so they don't get drawn into a argument that exposes them.

I've seen some of those TV programs regarding people who travel thousands of miles overland to get to the UK. In some cases it is the immigrants themselves who feed lies to the people back home for purely personal reasons. Young people who leave home ring their families and tell them they got a good job and live in a nice room in the UK when you can see they are living under a bridge and ringing from a mobile. Next thing you know, the whole village wants to come here!

As for my claim about not hearing English spoken in this country -and i do not mean wales I mean England , pray tell me how that is not true. Go to Blackburn -asians, Leicester -Asians, Crewe Poles , Birmingham -a real mixture

It all depends on where you live. I used to work somewhere where all the work had to take into account the ethnic and linguistic diversity of the country, yet I hardly ever saw any of that. Where I live you hardly ever hear a foreign language spoken, almost everyone is white and, while there are some Asians around, a black person is still a rather unusual sight.

[meellis]

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Strangely enough I have just been listening to radio 2 where they were discussing this new report out that more drivers have been fined for brining in immigrants than the previous year. I might be cynical but when the government were getting heat for some tax fiddles there was a report leaked about cash in hand tradesmen which was obviously released to distract from the discussion about ministers. I have a feeling the report about drivers is so timed.

[Mr $quandaŁot]

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This is slightly off the track but as Flaming Parrot mentioned housing crisis, yet again the recent Labour, Coalition and the present Tory governments should be blamed.

Firstly, why allow empty houses and flats? If you keep your property empty for a lengthy period, you should be liable for a treble council tax bill.

Many people believe in shortage of properties, causing inflated sales and rental prices. Ok, build more and build like crazy but the so called shortage alone doesn't cause prices to go up for a simple reason: money must come from somewhere!

As long as there are people willing - and more importantly able - to pay inflated rents or over-stretch their mortgages prices will keep on rising.

How long will this be. Well, it depends on the biggest cause of the current problem: the Bank of England.

Interest rates have been artificially low for six years now. People are now used to these historically lowest rates ever and think that's normal.

Take a young couple who want to buy their first one bed flat in London. If they both have decent jobs their combined salary would be between Ł60-80k. Let's assume that they find a home for Ł300k and manage to put down a 20% deposit (with a double help of Bank of M&D).

Their mortgage would be Ł240k. If they pay 3% interest, on an interest only basis this would be Ł7,200 per annum. Most mortgages are now repayment ones so the actual payments would be higher. However, much cheaper than renting.

However, if the rates start rising and their next deal would be a 5% interest mortgage, interest alone would have jumped from 7,200 to Ł12k a year. 5% is still low by historical standards.

Once the rates go back to normal - and so they will - mortgages will cost at least 6-7%.

I can see the biggest ever bubble and cra$h building up unless something is done and soon.

What everyone with a mortgage should do now is to overpay like mad. If you say that you can hardly afford your repayments now, how are you going to afford them once the rates do start rising?

[stevemLS]

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But surely boom and bust is no longer possible, I thought Gordon Brown had abolished it?

[meellis]

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Back to the radio 2 program they took a call from a bus driver who was stopped by a crowd in Calais and while he was distracted some broke the locks on his luggage compartments and stowed away. He is now facing a Ł2000 fine and received a Ł275 bill to repair his locks. That seems unfair on its own but the show interviewed an MP and the reply was along the lines of this is why we have a fair court system so this bloke can fight the fine. What the MP didn't say that there wasn't any legal aid available to fight and even if you fight and win it might actually cost more than the original fine.
As for boom and bust and the housing situation I can see a lot of problems on the horizon. I am in the building trade and all I see is the requirements to build to a higher standard of efficiency with more red tape to complete to verify this. This requires far more materials which the manufacturers know we have to fit hence they aren't interested in cheap prices. There is the extra qualifications required to be able to complete the red tape and self certify the works carried out. This might be what the industry and consumer needs but it is against a backdrop of making property more affordable which is a challenge. Then there are people like me who were sold endowment mortgages which, even if the B/R hadn't happened, created a massive shortfall in an endowment that was supposed to clear the mortgage. Last report I heard there was 2.5 million with an average endowment shortfall of Ł75000 and due to the time these were sold most victims would be over 40 hence at an age when it is now harder if not impossible to get a mortgage. So when these people can't get an escape route there will be a lot of repo's coming onto the market.

[Mr $quandaŁot]

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Yes, endowment policies were the biggest miss-selling scandal ever, bigger than the PPI I would say.

I had my first mortgage in 1999 which was a repayment one. I made it clear from the start that if they mentioned the word endowment I would go elsewhere!

It's a sad state of affairs that financial sales people feel they need to fob others off. The latest trend seems to be pension dealers. I have told them to put their claims about the government urging people to switch in writing, as well as sign an agreement were they will be responsible for any potential loss. Somehow they hang up on me!