Governments Unemployed Forced Labour on Jobless being tested in court

[shell]

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But the fact Tesco is now offering permenant jobs and your pay is job seekers allowance plus expenses, that's obscene. Why not give a job seeker a job with a proper wage? So is this now the way big businessess are going to get cheap labour at the tax payers expense?

[di30]

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Grrrrr anything to save money!!!!

What is the world coming to?

My sister not long had ops on both arms and is due to have further ops and also one on her neck, she worked for years and due to her problems, her GP signed her to sick.

Despite not having any use on her (writing hand) she has had to attend a number of back to work meetings. (Through the job centre).
She had to give up her previous job because of her disabilities.

She wishes she could return, but what can she do with no use of her arm?

She currently gets help at home with household chores etc!

[bluebottle]

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Grrrrr anything to save money!!!!

What is the world coming to?

My sister not long had ops on both arms and is due to have further ops and also one on her neck, she worked for years and due to her problems, her GP signed her to sick.

Despite not having any use on her (writing hand) she has had to attend a number of back to work meetings. (Through the job centre).
She had to give up her previous job because of her disabilities.

She wishes she could return, but what can she do with no use of her arm?

She currently gets help at home with household chores etc!

I'm in a not dissimilar situation myself, Di. I've recently been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia which is very unpredictable and which the DWP understand. The back-to-work provider cannot seem to get it into their heads that DWP have marked my file "Limited Capability for Work" and that FM can floor you for weeks at a time - fatigue is the worst aspect of it. I've had to fire the Equality Act 2010 across this back-to-work provider's bows already. If I have to do that again, then I'm going back to the DWP with a formal complaint. If your sister is getting hassle, the best thing to do, if she's exhausted local complaints procedures or it's a private sector back-to-work provider, and she's covered by the Equality Act 2010, is to write to the Permanent Secretary of the DWP. He/she is the head honcho of the DWP. My mother used to work for them when it was the Ministry of Labour and she has told me many times that when a file from the PS arrived it is dealt with immediately. Tell you sister to keep that up her sleeve until she needs to use it.

[di30]

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I'm in a not dissimilar situation myself, Di. I've recently been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia which is very unpredictable and which the DWP understand. The back-to-work provider cannot seem to get it into their heads that DWP have marked my file "Limited Capability for Work" and that FM can floor you for weeks at a time - fatigue is the worst aspect of it. I've had to fire the Equality Act 2010 across this back-to-work provider's bows already. If I have to do that again, then I'm going back to the DWP with a formal complaint. If your sister is getting hassle, the best thing to do, if she's exhausted local complaints procedures or it's a private sector back-to-work provider, and she's covered by the Equality Act 2010, is to write to the Permanent Secretary of the DWP. He/she is the head honcho of the DWP. My mother used to work for them when it was the Ministry of Labour and she has told me many times that when a file from the PS arrived it is dealt with immediately. Tell you sister to keep that up her sleeve until she needs to use it.

Hiya

Thank you for that, and sorry to hear of your health issues too, it is in fact the same diagnosis as my sister has as well , and it's as you said made her feel very fatigue. There's not a day that goes by without pain.

I have taken note of what you said which is helpful, thank you again.

[bluebottle]

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Small world! Actually, FM is very common - 1 in 50 people have it. It's the most common neurological disorder. I don't know if your sister has already been in touch with them, but UK Fibromyalgia are very helpful and have local support groups around the UK. Their website is at UK Fibromyalgia: Absolutely everything you need to know about fibromyalgia..

[shell]

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This is apparently more rife than I first realised. Sainsburys has withdrawn from the scheme and I read today that TKMaxx has as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...erience-scheme

[bluebottle]

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I see Tesco's Lie Machine is in full working order, as always. The number of times I've caught their managers out and for what...

[teaboy2]

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Just an update, as some off you will have seen on the 2nd page of the sun this morning - Miss Reilly has won a judicial review and the case will now be heard in the Royal Court of Justice. Link here to article - Human Rights court win for jobless benefits girl Cait Reilly | The Sun |News|Politics

Miss Reily has also been joined in her claim by another jobseeker whos is middle aged and stated that the forced 6 month work program was "an attack on his dignity".

MP Chris Grayling said "The idea of that getting people to do something that will get them back into work is a contradiction of humand rights is ridiculous" - I say the idea of forcing them to do slave/unpaid forced labour would get them back into work is itself not only rediciulus but also leaves those out of work open to being exploited by companies. If such companies have positions to fill and willing to take on people under the work scheme for 6 month periods, then surely they could instead take on a full time employee on full time wages on a permenant contract of employment, intead of getting away with free labour off the back of this clearly exploitive work program.

My question to Chris Grayling is - Do you support slavery? Because by supporting the forcing of people into unpaid labour, you are indeed supporting slavery. There is no if's or but's about it, you can coat it over with fine words and gloss it up as much as you like, but at the end of the day it is still forced labour and therefore slavary.

[charitynjw]

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Cheers, Teaboy - a very useful update.

While this is progressing, is the scheme still live & active?

I also understand that some companies have backed out of it.

[SpringerSpaniel]

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I also think it is wrong that some companies should get free labour, subsidised by the taxpayer.

[SpringerSpaniel]

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Why should wwe subsidise Poundland, Tesco, mcDonalds etc ?

[teaboy2]

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Yes charity still alive and active, though they did make slight changes i believe but not sure what, personally people ae still being told its mandatory by the job centres etc.

My cousin got a placement under the same scheme at cropton log cabins (i think thats the name of the company) the owner takes on 4 people under the scheme at a time apparently, and i doubt he has many people under his employment on full time contracts to be honest, but can not say it as a matter of fact without doing research on it. But anyway, he promised my cousin a job at the end of it along with the others, as soon as the work placement period was up he basically told my cousin to fling his hook and then took on another person under the scheme to replace my cousin. I heard today that he did the same with another person that was sent to work for him under the scheme, by getting rid of them and replacing them with yet another person on the scheme. Utter example of explotation of free labour/workforce!

If Chris Grayling truely believes that the work program get those taking part into jobs, then how about he proves it by proving just how many have been given full time jobs that last longer than 6 months by the same company that took them on nder the scheme and provide satistics for how many companys have taken people on under the scheme yet never employed any of them under full time contract at the end of the work placement. It would be very interesting reading and would without a doubt show that the majority are not being given jobs at the end of it nor finding any work at the end of it within, 6 months from finnishing the scheme. Therefore clearly proving that companies are exploiting the unemployed under this scheme, just like my cousin and the other person were clearly exploited by the owner of croptons log cabins or cropton holiday site whichever its called.
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Why should wwe subsidise Poundland, Tesco, mcDonalds etc ?

Exactly, where basically paying these companies to exploit the unemployed. By allowing them to not have to pay the people under the scheme any wage at all.

[SpringerSpaniel]

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Presumably an FOI request could be made re the numbes who got permanent jobs from the same employer ?

[teaboy2]

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Thats true Springer, but whether they release it is another matter, just look what they did regarding a FOI request on the NHS reforms. If i remember rightly they refused to release it or something.

[bluebottle]

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I agree with you 100%, Springer Spaniel. I am wondering if there could be a case to answer against those firms who exploited the scheme for breaches of the NMW regulations or EU Law that forbids unlawful subsidies or, even, anti-competitive practices. Interesting to see what comes out of the judicial review in this case.