Ethical storm over octuplets mother after it is revealed her family had 'filed for ba

[Legal Beagles]

The birth of octuplets to a single mother in the U.S. is a 'medical disaster', doctors said yesterday. It has emerged that the woman involved - who conceived through fertility treatment - already has six children under the age of seven.

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[Amy]

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Quite unbelievable.

[righty]

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We live in a free society (well almost) & the number of children this woman has or wants is her business & no one else

[Amy]

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A singe parent of 14 children?

I do not agree it is her own business when she clearly will not be able to care for them without help. It is not about her and it should not be about her, it's about the children.

[Xena]

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And let's face it, she didn't want to be named to start with doesn't that say something?

[righty]

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I'm sorry but it's not for us or anyone else to moralize about her decision to have the babies..

Its her business & who knows how well she can look after them. She ain't off to a bad start already having 8 & I'm sure their SS will have made sure she runs a good home before being allowed to take them. I think it goes without saying that she & her kids will be monitored for years.

Also why is it assumed she didn't want publicity because she got 8 already or because she has like many others faced financial difficulties. It just might be that she didn't want the publicity she knew would surround the birth for their sake

This publicity occurred because the medics wanted to brag about how great THEY were & for no other reason.

Why oh why do people jump to conclusions based of few indignant moralizing journalist commenting in the press. Why is it assumed she's guilty of something anything. It's a bit like ALL debtors being assumed to be non-payers rather than as we know can't payers

Until I hear otherwise I'm gonna assume she's a good mum in other words innocent until PROVEN guilty. How dare we or anyone else try to interfere in this woman's life or make such judgments when we don't know her or her kids. Far too much of that sort of thing goes on already what with big brother etc

Remember "let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone" said Jesus Christ

[Amy]

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I did not say she was a bad parent and I did not say she was guilty of anything. I merely pointed out that she is now a single Mother of 14 children and that she cannot possibly look after all of them on her own.

I am thinking of the welfare of the children which you seem to think is perfectly acceptable if this comes via social services. I on the other hand, am a bit old fashioned, I believe children should be born to two parents - a Mother and a Father.

You can bleat about journalists slanting the story and her rights all you like but it doesn't change the fact that one, single woman now has 14 children - 8 of them newborns.

Not exactly normal is it.

[Sapphire]

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Just read in the paper that she is a single mum, lives with her parents and works at an IVF Clinic. Its believed that all her previous children were by IVF and donated sperm, she's also studying for a degree.

Now I do believe that in America you don't get welfare for children, all you get is a big tax bonus and then you are on your own. You either work or beg, borrow and steal to survive. But I'm sure someone will correct me on that.

So after all that I believe she is not stupid or thick, but in fact she is very clever and calculating, and has worked out that the magazine, book and film deals with net her an absolute fortune, hey but thats me being cynical isn't it.

I heard this said a long, long time ago 'If you can't feed them, don't breed them', hmmmmm don't seem a bad motto in life to me.

[righty]

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Frankly I don't give a toss. My position is not judge someone UNTIL I know the FACTS & members are making judgments about which they know nothing other than a few press reports. We have yet to hear from the woman herself

Furthermore who's to say what's normal you, me, anyone. She might come from a large family herself but even if she doesn't it's still her affair & her affair alone.

As for the kids there can be no better thing than being members of a large family, your mates are your siblings & even better still many are the same age.............. loads of playmates.......... great
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PS if they do "net here a fortune" so what, would you rather have her refuse payment & struggle or would you have her try & give her kids every advantage that money can buy

Also when it was discovered she was carrying so many she was offered termination of some & she refused. Tell me which ones would you have selected

Also it's worth mentioning that she was thought to be carrying 7 children not 8 until the birth & 7 kids would not have attracted this sort of publicity so I can hardly see what it is you think she planned

[scoobydoo]

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I agree I would not judge without the full story and I fully support her decision not to abort - However I would ask is it normal to have 8 potential babies on IVF? That was a risk to the babies in itself.

If you dont believe in abortion than surely it was irresponsible of the clinic to put the babies at risk by chancing such a large multiple pregancy ?

4 I could understand but 8 is that normal?.The risks during pregnancy to the babies and mother must have been high.

When I had my son prematurely there was a case of a lady here in UK who had I think 7 or 8 by IVF and it was devastating as I was reading in the paper as they died one by one after birth.

So surely the clinic are partly reponsible? Or was it just a case of money over rules common sense?

I hope that she has a large supportive family and the children are are loved - thats the important thing but something does not seem quite right . Only time will tell.

[Amy]

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Frankly I don't give a toss. My position is not judge someone UNTIL I know the FACTS & members are making judgments about which they know nothing other than a few press reports. We have yet to hear from the woman herself

You are judging. You are the only person in this thread that is judgmental.

Furthermore who's to say what's normal you, me, anyone. She might come from a large family herself but even if she doesn't it's still her affair & her affair alone.

Do you know families with 14 children including 8 newborns born to a single parent?

As for the kids there can be no better thing than being members of a large family, your mates are your siblings & even better still many are the same age.............. loads of playmates.......... great

Judging - again. You cannot possibly know this with any certainty.
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PS if they do "net here a fortune" so what, would you rather have her refuse payment & struggle or would you have her try & give her kids every advantage that money can buy

A bit radical I know and a bit "out there" but how about not having IVF in the first place which can quite clearly result in a multiple pregnancy when you already have 6 children.

Also when it was discovered she was carrying so many she was offered termination of some & she refused. Tell me which ones would you have selected

Judging - again. Who is to say whether termination is right or wrong?

Also it's worth mentioning that she was thought to be carrying 7 children not 8 until the birth & 7 kids would not have attracted this sort of publicity so I can hardly see what it is you think she planned

When carrying that many babies, I cannot see what relevance one more baby carries.

[righty]

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The only persons I am judging are those who make moral judgments or suggesting she can't look after the kids or is in it for the money etc on what someone else want's to do or does even though they have broken no laws

What do you think she is going to do abandon some of them cos she can't cope. I strongly suspect this woman has given considerable thought to how she's gonna cope & from what I understand she has a large family who will no doubt rally round in her time of need

& no I speak from experience as without doubt all of the large families I have know throughout my life (& that's been quite a few) have resulted in producing well balanced kids able to fully socialize with their peers & who have been able to count on the support of their brothers & sisters throughout their lives Oh & I almost forgot kids from large families tend not to be spoilt & more willing to share

[Amy]

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As I have said several times now, you are the only one judging.

[righty]

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Forgive me for being blunt Amy but I don't know how you have the unmitigated gall to accuse ME of judging when your 1st post was critical of the woman. If that wasn't you judging her what was it, offering her friendly advice perhaps. The rest of my posts described positive & non-critical scenarios which are just as relevant as your negative ones, "hows she going to cope" etc. How do you know she can't.

She may be a bit loopy wanting so many kids I know I wouldn't but if I did so what that's my decision

Also in view of what happened very recently when an important member of this site was continually libeled OTR & was only able to clear her name through the help of another I would have as least hoped that members would now not be too quick to judge others who they know now't about other than press reports by newspapers who have copy sell

It's free country & everyone is entitled to their opinions but don't expect those opinions to go unchallenged when they are directed at someone who has made a choice of their own free will.

Until I here from a reliable source that these children risk being deprived of anything then will be the time I will be critical of the mother. In the meantime I will defend her right to do as she pleases provided it's lawful

[Amy]

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I typed two words "quite" and "unbelievable."

I fail to see how that is judgmental.