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  • nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

    Hi folks,

    Sorry this is going to be a lengthy one.

    September 2011
    After an unsatisfactory experience with Spark Electricity I decided to switch to nPower in September 2011.

    In the beginning everything seemed to go smooth, monthly payments taken out and meter readings reported timely, everything worked out just fine. Until..

    January 2013
    We decided to move house in January 2013.
    Between September 2011 and January 2013 I had been making DD payments on my old address without any interruption. As a result; there was a surplus credit of approx. £230 in my nPower account.

    We moved to the new house and I had nPower set up as electricity supplier.
    I phoned up the customer service desk to confirm arrangements regarding the move of properties. The new house was allocated a different customer number versus the old one.

    I requested a final bill for the old address (which was sent and had already been paid for) and requested the surplus credit to be moved to the NEW account number rather than putting it bank in my bank account (*now wish I had never done this*)

    Normal DD payments then commenced for the new account with far higher values than was required for the account, eventually leading up to nearly £500 in credit in my account.

    May 2013
    All of a sudden sometime in May, DD payments started to increase (up to 3 a month, with the same monthly fee). I phoned up HSBC to cancel these duplicate payments as they were incorrect. Spoke to nPower customer service, they were aware of a problem and said they would address it.

    August 2013
    nPower DD payments then fully ceased until August, where they attempted to take 3 payments in 1 go which I immediately had denied by the bank. Logging in to my nPower online account, even with the periods I had not paid my monthly DD, I was still well above the zero mark with a positive balance.

    September 2013
    I spoke with the nPower customer service desk asking them to look into this undocumented and unexplained DD payment behaviour.
    Customer service employee instructed me to fully cancel payments and revoke my DD until they had addressed the problem.

    November 2013
    Several months went by and I received a bill well in excess of £900. By now I am fuming with their incompetence to sort their billing out and lodged a formal complaint.

    December 2014
    I've had enough of their incompetence and request to change suppliers to Sainsbury's Energy. nPower allow to let me transfer and confirmed they will sort me out with a final bill to clear up the confusion.

    January 2014

    Spoke to customer services about the status of the complaint (no news from nPower).
    They requested me to send my HSBC bank statements to prove all payments made to nPower under the year 2013. I have contacted HSBC, got all the statements and e-mailed them through to them on January 2nd.

    February 2014
    nPower write to me that they are still dealing with the complaint and offer me a brochure to contact the Ombudsman.

    March 2014
    nPower contacts me to mention they have still not received my statements, which I then sent to them again on March 3rd.

    April 2014
    nPower contacts me again to say they have not received my statements. I have transmitted them again on April 19th.

    After receiving a letter requesting to call them I phone up the complaints team and endure a hefty discussion. It must have lasted at least 40 minutes (on top of a 1h20m wait!).

    Conclusively this is what nPower states:
    - I have made payments close to £400 throughout 2013
    - They deny of having received certain payments that have 100% been taking out of my HSBC account and I have the statements to prove it
    - They have an outstanding charge of £1340 (it took me half an hour of pressuring the staff member to come up with this number)

    What actually occurred:
    - I have made payments close to £600 throughout 2013 and have bank statements to prove this
    - I have moved the £230 mentioned in the beginning of this post from the old to the new account
    - Even if the charges were to be £1340, the outstanding sum would only be around £500 and I am more than happy to pay that
    - Additionally, £1340 is a ludicrous amount when knowing that our monthly average sits around £80.

    I consider £1340 outstanding to be fictitious as they can not back it up with figures. Nor do they acknowledge my payments previously made.

    For the life of me, I can not understand how hard it can be to simply produce a correct bill with a starting & ending meter reading and match that with the incoming payments.
    I am aware that nPower have changed administration systems during 2013 which may have to do with this massive c**k up ?!

    I requested them to give me an overall statement from the date of opening the account to the date of closing.
    The customer advisor denied this request saying that nPower does not do statements of accounts.

    I challenged him and asked him how they are going to prove the charge, which he challenged in saying that I can log in to the nPower on-line system and download every historical bill.

    I actually tried this yesterday and the on-line system does not allow me to retrieve any historical bill, but in stead comes up with an error.

    I terminated the conversation after not getting anywhere with such an inflexible representative.

    What next steps should be taken?
    I have not contacted the ombudsman just yet but believe I should do this sooner rather than later as it must be done within 9 months of raising the complaint, is this correct?
    Tags: billing, mess, npower

  • #2
    Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

    Silly question but did you actually cancel the Direct Debits on your online account?
    Were the payments they took and tried to take going to the correct account? by this I mean not going onto your previous address account.
    Do not deal with them over the phone on any matter from now on, only in writing and what do you have in writing from them?

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    • #3
      Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

      Originally posted by enaid View Post
      Silly question but did you actually cancel the Direct Debits on your online account?
      Were the payments they took and tried to take going to the correct account? by this I mean not going onto your previous address account.
      Do not deal with them over the phone on any matter from now on, only in writing and what do you have in writing from them?
      Hi enaid,

      - The DD's were acting up in May 2013
      - DD's were cancelled by the bank in September 2013 (4 months later)
      - I have not made any DD cancellation in the on-line account

      Speaking to them on the phone is not resolving the issue.

      In terms of writing - NOTHING.
      All I have is 3 letters requesting me to contact them via the phone.

      I have no statements from September onward, when I go in the on-line system it crashes.
      I have no payment reminders or collection notices or anything.
      There is no physical evidence of any of the payment sum they claim I owe them.

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      • #4
        Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

        I have just resolved a complaint with these after nearly 12 months.

        I gave up on the phone early on and resorted to e-mail on the contact page via the on line account. They still take a minimum of a week to get back to you but at lest you have a paper trail of what was said.

        In my case i got £250 knocked of an annual bill because they failed to send any statements over a twelve month period.
        ]\needless to say I am not with them anymore

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        • #5
          Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

          Well I always now go on to the manage DDs on my on line account and check if it says still active and they are not then I cancel them. Just wondering if the mix up with the payments and where the payments went are in the 4 month period before the bank cancelled them.
          As Andy says email and ask them for all your statements and payment details they can not refuse to give you this info.

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          • #6
            Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

            Originally posted by enaid View Post
            As Andy says email and ask them for all your statements and payment details they can not refuse to give you this info.
            Have asked this over the phone last time I spoke to them and he denied that request. He kept repeating 'we do not give statement of accounts'.
            My response 'I won't pay for a bill if I can't see what I'm paying for'. Then he referred to the on-line system. Vicious circle.

            The payment mess is partially to blame to the fact that when things starting going wrong (DD frequency increased from to 1 to 3 a month), some payments were returned by nPower and some weren't.
            According to HSBC (and my bank statements), more of these payments have gone through than what nPower are admitting.

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            • #7
              Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

              Originally posted by ScuL View Post
              Have asked this over the phone last time I spoke to them and he denied that request. He kept repeating 'we do not give statement of accounts'.
              My response 'I won't pay for a bill if I can't see what I'm paying for'. Then he referred to the on-line system. Vicious circle.

              The payment mess is partially to blame to the fact that when things starting going wrong (DD frequency increased from to 1 to 3 a month), some payments were returned by nPower and some weren't.
              According to HSBC (and my bank statements), more of these payments have gone through than what nPower are admitting.
              Yes you need to create a paper-trail, they are supposed to give paper statements whatever their telephone operator says, I would be very surprised if hey would say such a thing in writing.

              In my case I needed the paper as my hospital subsidizes my power usage, and they need them for their accounts.

              They continually promised to send them and continually failed. Useless

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              • #8
                Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                If you have a nosy on the net you will see there are many complaints about this and similar situations. Most being blamed on a change of their system about the time you were having problems. I would email ask for all the info they have on your account and then if they don't forward it within say a week or so then complain to https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/ inform them in your email you will be doing this never know it may make em buck up.
                Enaid x

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                • #9
                  Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                  I have logged this matter with the Ombudsman on Friday who were very helpful.
                  Although nPower included the brochure for the "financial ombudsman" who said nPower were clowns for sending that brochure as you require the "Energy Ombudsman".

                  nPower tried to call me yesterday to "discuss my complaint" which I ignored, I am done talking to them on the phone.

                  Also:
                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27374580

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                  • #10
                    Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                    Please do let us know the outcome of this situation, it can only help others who find them selves having this problem.
                    Good Luck Enaid x

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                    • #11
                      Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                      I received a call from them regarding my complaint last week. The operator was anxious it seemed to me , to get me to agree to "close the complaint". I said I would consider doing so when I received written confirmation of there credit to my account and error.

                      Still waiting.

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                      • #12
                        Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                        Got a letter from the Ombudsman today. Full of positivity I started reading but to my surprise they are supporting nPower!!

                        Your complaint has been selected as one which is appropriate for early resolution. This means
                        we have been able to quickly resolve your complaint by a member of our specialist early
                        resolution team making contact with npower to discuss your complaint.
                        We have now achieved the remedy you requested in your complaint form, in full and final
                        settlement of your complaint:
                        • confirm that the current balance of £996.53 is correct;
                        • send a letter of apology for the shortfall in service;
                        • offer an extended payment plan for any outstanding balance on the account, which takes into
                        consideration your circumstances and ability to pay; and
                        • apply a £50 goodwill credit to the account.
                        At least they're not quoting the rediculous £1340 but they are still nearly £500 off the mark!
                        I see no evidence of nPower receiving our payments nor any evidence of the charges generated being accurate (no statements are enclosed!)

                        Needless to say I have rejected this proposal immediately!

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                        • #13
                          Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                          Originally posted by ScuL View Post
                          Got a letter from the Ombudsman today. Full of positivity I started reading but to my surprise they are supporting nPower!!



                          At least they're not quoting the rediculous £1340 but they are still nearly £500 off the mark!
                          I see no evidence of nPower receiving our payments nor any evidence of the charges generated being accurate (no statements are enclosed!)

                          Needless to say I have rejected this proposal immediately!
                          Yes I would keep the conversation going now you have there attention, you know the kind of thing firm but polite. You are not willing to close the compliant because there has been no satisfactory resolution, that kind of thing.

                          They cannot(should not) start any collection proceedings whilst the havean active dipute on there books so ''I think you must make it clear the the issue is still outstanding, they will I am sue be anxious to put the matter behind them.

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                          • #14
                            Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                            Good grief!!!

                            I only returned the rejection of the Ombudsman's proposal yesterday and today I received two letters from nPower with payment reminders for £996!! I haven't even accepted the bl**dy resolution!! Seriously?!

                            Again not accompanied by any statements or evidence of those costs being accurate, NOR any acknowledgement our payments have been received.

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                            • #15
                              Re: nPower billing mess - ficticious final bill

                              Write all your correspondence on the assumption that a judge who knows nothing will be reading it later. You might include in one of your letters the suggestion that if nPower is so sure that it has a cast iron claim, they should sue you in the County Court.

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