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  • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

    Originally posted by mystery1 View Post
    In Beavis it was said that the £85, as it was in that case, was not an offer to park. If, as you argue, Penny was allowed to park then why did she get a ticket ? If the offer is open to everyone then there would be no ticket to issue. The ticket was issued for no permit/authorisation.

    M1
    This is the interesting point - Penny got a ticket because she was viewed by Parking Eye as a trespasser. However, since the gym's manager gave her permission to park, she should be classed as a visitor with 'parking rights' and not trespasser, which is at odds with Parking Eye's account or the gym's - who obviously will side with Parking Eye given there is a contract between the gym and Parking Eye. The point addressed though is a point of fact and not a point of law. So, Penny's defence is that she had permission which means she was a visitor.

    The first alternative is to argue a point of law of a well established estoppel doctrine. If she has permission and there were a contract, Penny will benefit an estoppel defence which essentially means that because Parking Eye are taking action against her (cause of action), she has a substantive estoppel defence to estopp the cause of action. If one were to argue there was no offer - albeit there was likely one, ie to use the car park but with a condition attached, ie must be a gym member, it's still an offer (albeit with a condition attached) - it'll just open up a hornet's nest so to speak. I just don't think it'll be a successful argument as it creates uncertainty for Private Eye so they will probably press on as a point of law. Hence the estoppel defence is lost.

    The only second alternative in my view if arguing the agreement (offer and acceptance) is deemed fundamental/ essential to Penny's defence to argue there wasn't sufficient signage as per the Beavis precedent. This way you're not arguing points of law in murky waters. This is a point of fact based issue from Beavis and not Beavis' point of law.

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    • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

      Originally posted by Openlaw15 View Post
      - Penny got a ticket because she was viewed by Parking Eye as a trespasser..
      According to OP's defence document PE are pursuing a claim for breach of contract.

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      • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

        More to the point, if she's viewed as a trespasser, there can't be a contract otherwise if there was then there would be no trespass.. Which is it?!
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        • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

          Originally posted by mystery1 View Post
          In Beavis it was said that the £85, as it was in that case, was not an offer to park. If, as you argue, Penny was allowed to park then why did she get a ticket ? If the offer is open to everyone then there would be no ticket to issue. The ticket was issued for no permit/authorisation.

          M1
          In Bowman v ABTA (1995), the Court of Appeal considered whether a notice could amount to a binding contractual Offer by the unilateral action of one of the parties. It held that it could in some circumstance but the wording must be clear to the ordinary reader that is legally binding. The notices (signage) therefore could amount to an offer in Penny's case if the wording is clear to her (the ordinary reader) that is it legally binding. It just depends on all the terms in all the signage, to be read as whole and not pick out key words.

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          • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

            and in my view the signs (as posted in PE's statements) clearly state members only, and they (ie the members) must comply with T&Cs or agree to pay a parking charge.
            Ergo anyone else is a trespasser.
            PE are claming breach of a contract with op.

            Ineresting to see which way the judge goes.

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            • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

              At the end of the day you cannot form a contract on the basis of not doing something. You can have a "justifiable" penalty included in a contract but it certainly can't be the contract. If the contract for "members only" includes non members then the terms weren't breached. The argument is nonsense.

              M1

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              • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                Originally posted by des8 View Post
                and in my view the signs (as posted in PE's statements) clearly state members only, and they (ie the members) must comply with T&Cs or agree to pay a parking charge.
                Ergo anyone else is a trespasser.
                PE are claming breach of a contract with op.

                Ineresting to see which way the judge goes.
                There's only two signs, one on the entrance to the car park saying 'see terms and conditions' i believe directing the person to the sign inside the car park. What's more interesting is the terms and conditions with the very tiny letters on sign 2. Do we know what these terms actually say? Members only by itself means nothing all the terms have to be read and taken as a whole.

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                • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                  Originally posted by mystery1 View Post
                  At the end of the day you cannot form a contract on the basis of not doing something. You can have a "justifiable" penalty included in a contract but it certainly can't be the contract. If the contract for "members only" includes non members then the terms weren't breached. The argument is nonsense.

                  M1
                  There are unilateral contracts as learnt whilst studying contract law, as per said cases. 'Members only may use the gym' by itself means nothing. This is talking about who may use the gym, not who is liable. The little writing in sign 2 (as directed from sign 1, at the entrance to the car park), it what's likely important.
                  Last edited by Openlaw15; 20th July 2016, 15:13:PM.

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                  • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                    So what was agreed between the parties and why was the PCN issued ?

                    The whole basis of the PCN is that she was not allowed to be there. There was never any intent to contract. If there was and she was allowed to park then there would be no contractual breach and the notice invalid.

                    M1

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                    • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                      Hello all,

                      I can see you all are having a interesting and very technical debate. Im glad my case is being so revolutionary

                      Just thought I'd let you all know, that after sleeping on it for a few days...ive decided to continue fighting them in court!

                      We have spent too much time and effort on this case, only to fold on their pressure tactics...no way Jose!

                      PE are going down...ROAAAAR!!! (lol sorry that was my war cry) xxx

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                      • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                        I'm glad someone finds it interesting ....

                        M1

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                        • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!!

                          Omg i have the best news everybodyyyyy!!! XXX
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                          • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!! - won

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                            I would like to thank you all for being ever so helpful and supporting me along the way.:goodjob:

                            I definitely would not have been able to do this without all of you! I LOVE YOU ALL XXX

                            I don't know how to show my appreciation...I'm literally crying with joy!!! Im lost for words and completely choked up...I feel like we've taken on the establishment and WON against all the odds :taunt:

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                            • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!! - won

                              Before I get well happy... should I ring courts to double check? Do i need to forward letter to courts? Do I do anything?

                              I also want to make Parking Eye pay for giving me 6 months of HELL...i was on the verge of a nervous breakdown!
                              Can I claim for the time I have booked off for that date? Do courts need proof?
                              What about the countless hours, evenings and weekends spent researching into this case? I read somewhere that the standard charge is £19/hour....correct?

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                              • Re: 70 Page PROSECUTION STATEMENT - Parking Eye!!! - won

                                Well done. Yes call the court to ask for confirmation that the claimant has discontinued but as their letter suggests it may take a little while for it to appear on the court system so keep trying every couple of days until you get it.

                                Without the case going to hearing and you winning it would be difficult to claim for the time & effort you've put in and would require yet more time & effort. Best to forget it and move on in the knowledge that you've won.

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