EV parking bays in council car park. Are stickers valid signage?

[Cherrypicker]

Council car park.
Bay has Electric vehcile painted.
1 bay has no sticker.
1 bay has sticker as attached (PCN given)
1 bay has the same non-damaged sticker.

Not other notices.

Sticker says "Electrical vehicle parking - only while charging" Blue background P in white (torn) and Car charging symbol.

Is the attached sticker a legally enforceable (EV car was parked in EV parking bay, but not plugged in).

(I cannot seem to attach it - You are not authorized to create or remove attachments. (no_create_permissions_attach)

The council state:

Under the relevant Traffic Regulation Order (TRO), and in accordance with Regulation 18(1) of
the Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, the
signage and markings in place are considered adequate to inform motorists of the
restriction.

Regards

[Cherrypicker]

EV sticker pdf.pdf See image

[wales01man]

Were you charging an EV and did the council give you a PCN

[Cherrypicker]

Were you charging an EV and did the council give you a PCN

I parked an electric car and did not charge.
An on screen PCN was issued.

I am led to believe a sticker is not a compliant sign.

The Council claims that the sticker on the EV charger provides “adequate information” under Regulation 18(1) of the Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996. While the sticker may have been legible, Reg 18(1) merely requires that motorists be adequately informed; it does not authorise non-standard signs or override the requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD).

TSRGD specifies that signs indicating TRO restrictions must be prescribed, upright, visible from the normal approach, and of appropriate size and symbol. The sticker in question is curved around the charger post, making it partially obscured and not compliant with prescribed signage standards.

Therefore, even if the message was clear, the restriction was not lawfully enforceable, and the PCN should be cancelled.

[atticus]

You appear to be quoting stuff without stating the source (AI?) Which paragraphs of the TSRGD regulations do you say appliy?

[Cherrypicker]

You appear to be quoting stuff without stating the source (AI?) Which paragraphs of the TSRGD regulations do you say appliy?

Yes, I do not trust AI.
I want to know whether the followng is correct:


Clarity or legibility is not the legal test. Under the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD) and Regulation 18(1) of the Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, the decisive issue is compliance – whether the signs relied upon are prescribed or authorised traffic signs within the meaning of the TSRGD.

The sticker in front of which the vehicle was parked was a small self-adhesive label fixed to a curved charger body, approximately one metre from ground level. According to the Traffic Signs Manual (Chapter 3, paras 1.21–1.23), regulatory parking signs should be mounted between 1.5 m and 2.1 m above ground level and of sufficient size to be read easily from the driver’s normal viewing position.
The charger on the left had no sticker at all so the was an inconsistemcy.

Are these relevant and should one ask;

1. The TSRGD diagram number that this sticker purports to comply with (for example 660, 660.1 or 660.9A), including the required dimensions and mounting height;


2. Whether the Council holds any Department for Transport (DfT) authorisation permitting this non-standard, low-mounted sticker to be used as regulatory signage;


3. Whether a self-adhesive label affixed to charging equipment is considered by the Council to lawfully indicate the effect of a Traffic Regulation Order under Regulation 18(1); and


4. The Council’s enforcement position where a charger displays no restriction sticker. Would a Penalty Charge Notice be issued to a vehicle parked in front of such a charger that is not connected for charging?


Do these conditions actually exist?

Is it correct unless these stickers meet the TSRGD’s prescribed standards for design, size, height and format, or have express authorisation from the Secretary of State, they cannot lawfully indicate a restriction under Regulation 18(1), irrespective of their legibility?

I thought, every enforceable bay must have the full markings. That includes a blue plug symbol on a post and the white lined rectangle from the TSRGD diagram 1028.4 on the ground.

In this case there is no blue plug symbol on a post, just painted bay words "Electric vehicles" and a sticker on 2 of 3 chargers - one with nothing at all on.