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[des8]

I would sit tight and wait for the debt collectors, but then I would ignore them as well.
Only when I received a "Letter of Claim" would I bother to reply, but even then it is unlikely they will cease their pursuit of the money and they will initiate a court claim.

If you wish to avoid that scenario you can pay them.

You risk court (not that scary) or you pay them

[poolielad]

What they haven't done is address the point of your letter concerning the failure of the NTK to comply with the statutory requirements of POFA2012.
As long as they do not know the identity of the driver you have a good chance of winning in court (altho' it can be a bit of a lottery!)

I would not bother appealing to IAS, they are far from independent!

Try not to identify the driver, even on here as the parking companies do scan these sites

Any tips on my next course of action?? I dont want to go to court. but I dont want these parasites to have my money!!

[des8]

What they haven't done is address the point of your letter concerning the failure of the NTK to comply with the statutory requirements of POFA2012.
As long as they do not know the identity of the driver you have a good chance of winning in court (altho' it can be a bit of a lottery!)

I would not bother appealing to IAS, they are far from independent!

Try not to identify the driver, even on here as the parking companies do scan these sites

[poolielad]

Here is a photo of what they are getting me on!! How can they know it us when there is no number plate showing in this photo??

[poolielad]

This is the image they have of us dropping off!! I know I am in the wrong doing it, but how can they prove that is us when there is no number plate showing in the picture???

[poolielad]

A photo of the signs may be useful, as well as clear photos of their "evidence"

This is the reply to my appeal:

19/7/2024 11:52:30

UK Parking Patrol Office
PO Box 453
Dukinfield
SK14 9FG

 
Parking Charge Number:  6390559
 
Vehicle Registration Number: CA10CDA
 
Dear Sir/Madam,
 
Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued by us on 11/07/2024. Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you we have decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:

The vehicle was parked on private land that is well signed with contractual notices stating: Parking is only permitted for customers of the filling station whilst remaining on site. The signage also advises of the time limit in place and that no dropping off/picking up is permitted. These notices clearly state that enforcement is carried out on a 24-hr basis. As CCTV captured your vehicle picking up/dropping off within the area the charge was correctly issued. Should you be unwilling/unable to name the driver of the vehicle the liability remains with yourself as the registered keeper.

Please be advised that if you were unsure about the restrictions in place, our telephone number is displayed on the signage. You could have used this number to contact our offices for advice.

We are aware this may sound harsh but, the site is extremely busy. Therefore, the landowner has implicated a time restriction. 

You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and have a number of options:
 
1. Pay the Parking Charge Notice at the prevailing price of £60 within 14 days. Please note that after this time you will lose the chance to pay the discounted rate and the full amount of £100 will become payable.
 
2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). Please be advised that if you opt for independent arbitration of your case and are unsuccessful, the full amount of £100 will become payable. In order to appeal, you will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 28 days of the date of this letter. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.
 
3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may proceed with Court action against you.
 
How to Pay:
You are required to pay £60 within 14 days from the issue of this correspondence. Cheques/postal orders should be crossed and made payable to:
 
The UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd and posted to:     
                                                                                                                                                                              
UK Parking Patrol Office
PO Box 453
Dukinfield
SK14 9FG

 
Alternatively, you can pay online at www.parking-tickets.co.uk

Kind regards

Appeals Manager
Phone 03707 203807
Web: www.parkingpatrol.co.uk
UK Parking Patrol Office| PO Box 453 | Dukinfield | SK149FG

[des8]

A photo of the signs may be useful, as well as clear photos of their "evidence"

[poolielad]

It is entirely your choice.

IMO you have a good chance of winning in court, if it ever gets to an actual hearing. (but court is always a bit of a lottery)

Or you can pay the £60 and avoid the stress and hassle

Ok, I have decided to appeal with the letter you stated above. If I appeal will I lose the 14 day early payment thing? Even though I aint going to pay the fine!!

Also is it worthwhile me putting the clear photos on here to show whatthey are getting me on??

Sorry for so many questions!!

[des8]

It is entirely your choice.

IMO you have a good chance of winning in court, if it ever gets to an actual hearing. (but court is always a bit of a lottery)

Or you can pay the £60 and avoid the stress and hassle

[poolielad]

I have just looked at the photos online, I now know what they are trying to do me for!!
Hi dropped some off at petrol station at Newcastle airport, we never parked in one of the bays because he was just jumping out and getting his case then we drove off, received a £100 pcn off UK Parking Patrol. On the photo shows us driving into place, the number plate is visible on that, but on the other photo of us stopped and getting case out there is no number plate visible (its a side on view of the car). Just wondering what I should do, should I just take it on the chin and pay the £60 or with the number plate not visible on the one where we are parked, should I appeal/ignore or whatever!!!! I realise its my own stupid fault for not parking in the bay...

[des8]

As in post 9:

The case will then probably be passed to debt collectors, but when you decline to pay, they may even initiate a court claim.
At this point a robust defence could well cause them to discontinue the claim before it reaches court.

Up to you what you do!

[poolielad]

So would you say appeal with the letter you said above?? Should/can I ask for video evidence because there is no way we were parked in the spot that is on the photo, we may have swapped drivers at that spot.

Or what would happen if I totally ignored the PCN??

[poolielad]

UK Parking patrol are a private company.

They are unlikely to uphold your appeal, and will writeback asking for cash.
This gives you the opportunity to appeal to the supposedly independent IPA, which you can do, but is a waste of time as they are not truly independent.
The case will then probably be passed to debt collectors, but when you decline to pay, they may even initiate a court claim.
At this point a robust defence could well cause them to discontinue the claim before it reaches court.

Court is always a bit of a lottery, but you do have a good defence but if the judge got out of bed on the wrong side ....

Court costs awarded to the winner are very limited anyway

So would you say appeal with the letter you said above?? Should/can I ask for video evidence because there is no way we were parked in the spot that is on the photo, we may have swapped drivers at that spot.

[des8]

UK Parking patrol are a private company.

They are unlikely to uphold your appeal, and will writeback asking for cash.
This gives you the opportunity to appeal to the supposedly independent IPA, which you can do, but is a waste of time as they are not truly independent.
The case will then probably be passed to debt collectors, but when you decline to pay, they may even initiate a court claim.
At this point a robust defence could well cause them to discontinue the claim before it reaches court.

Court is always a bit of a lottery, but you do have a good defence but if the judge got out of bed on the wrong side ....

Court costs awarded to the winner are very limited anyway

[poolielad]

You could write to them along the following lines:

Dear Sirs,
I am in receipt of your Parking Charge Notice xxxxx for vehicle VRM xxxx., addressed to me, the keeper

You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to specify the period of parking to which this notice applies as prescribed by section 9 (2) (e) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records.
Yours etc

Do not identify the driver when communicating with them, or on here
They are unlikely to accept your appeal, and they will pursue you but should give up eventually!

Thank you for the reply, really appreciate the help. Having not had a PCN before, as the above which you have written worked before??
I am just worried that I am digging a bigger hole for myself, even though I know I am being ripped off. Please don`t think I am questioning you, I am just overly worrying myself, but I definetly dont want to be paying this.And when you say write to them, do you mean appeal?? Also, is this a council PCN or a private company?

Thanks