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small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a poc

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  • small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a poc

    hello,

    we were hoping someone might be able to point us in the right direction as we’ve had very little success in finding a layman's answer to our question. in short our issue concerns a breach of copyright.

    1. we’re a freelance graphic designer team who created some promotional material for a company (a) under commission (there were no assignation of rights and we own the copyright)
    2. the work we submitted to (a) was done so with clear licence terms forbidding any secondary use or third party rights without prior permission from us
    3. they pulled the plug on the project in the end and the work never got used but about a year down the line we find our work on (a’s) website. Not only is it on the website of (a) but it’s also been used by quite a number of other websites (b) that are each independent of (a). we can only presume that (b) have accessed the work from the website of (a) as there will have been no other way the work could have got to (b) as we certainly never released the work!
    4. we’ve been in touch with (a) who have finally agreed to pay us for the use on their website but they are refusing to take any responsibility for the use found on (b) which we’re obviously a bit miffed about
    we’ve got all the factual correspondence we’ve had with (a) together with their agreement to pay us for the use on their website along with all the evidence of our work being used across (b) so we were advised (very briefly) to put some case particulars together (c 1-3: poc, pob & pod) and raise a small claim

    · particulars of case (c1)
    · particulars of breach (c2)
    · particulars of damage (c3)

    now we’ve certainly come across (c 1-3) pertaining to housing issues, council tax, mortgages, debt, breach of contracts, matrimony, employee dismissal and mobile bugging but we just can’t find any examples of (c 1-3) for copyright and intellectual property. so could anybody give us an example of how, with the facts stated through 1 to 4, we should format / lay out our (c 1-3) for preparation of submitting the N1 please?

    any help would be most appreciated
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    Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

    Rather than suing the second company yourself, why not join with the first company in suing company b and seeking an order to cease and desist using copyrighted material that could amount to "passing off"?

    The other way would be to contact the firm hosting b's website and get them to take down the pages in question.

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    • #3
      Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

      Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post
      Rather than suing the second company yourself, why not join with the first company in suing company b and seeking an order to cease and desist using copyrighted material that could amount to "passing off"?

      The other way would be to contact the firm hosting b's website and get them to take down the pages in question.
      thanks for your suggestion cc. there are 14 (b's) and they're quite tiny portals at that so we'd presume it would unlikely that we'd recover anything from them. (a) however who are a large organization do not wish to involve themselves beyond their specific responsibility and although passing off could possibly be an avenue worth exploring, wouldn't we be better off staking a claim with the big fish as opposed to trying to land the small fry?

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      • #4
        Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

        The copyright infringement is the easiest way forward with this problem using the Small Claim Track which is separate from the other small claims you mention. Housing etc.

        The first thing to do is to take screenshots of the infringement not just from the site but by identifying them in Google Image Search so you have an independent source that the images did exist. You could also search the Way Back Machine to see if the images appear there also.

        Do a whois search to find out who to address the letter and state within that letter that an infringement has taken place, they must cease and desist and enclose an invoice for the license for each image.

        The license fee you ask for needs to be substantiated at a later stage and this is the crux.

        If the case gets to court the decision in most cases is not about whether the infringement took place but how much the images are worth, this is the general argument.

        There are rules to follow and hoops to jump through but if you search for copyright small track claims you should quite easily find the 3 stages of the small track process.

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        • #5
          Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

          Originally posted by AlecB View Post
          There are rules to follow and hoops to jump through but if you search for copyright small track claims you should quite easily find the 3 stages of the small track process.
          Rules such as having to start the claim at the Patents County Court, in London?

          See the PDF guide here ---> link

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          • #6
            Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

            Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post
            Rules such as having to start the claim at the Patents County Court, in London?

            See the PDF guide here ---> link
            That is correct. That is the only court that will hear this type of case, however the case can be judged on paper which means that neither party has to attend. The IP Office has various pdf's that will assist you. Also, search for Own It as they offer free legal advice if your business takes less than £100,000 a year.

            Own It also have some very informative videos about copyright. Well worth watching.

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              Re: small claims issue for copyright / intellectual property breach - how to draft a

              Originally posted by AlecB View Post
              That is correct. That is the only court that will hear this type of case, however the case can be judged on paper which means that neither party has to attend. The IP Office has various pdf's that will assist you. Also, search for Own It as they offer free legal advice if your business takes less than £100,000 a year.
              Own It also have some very informative videos about copyright. Well worth watching.
              Is it real that only one court can be possible in such a case? If yes, then I don't understand, why it is...

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