Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

[Muppe]

Hi there I was arrested back in May for this offence and accepted a 4 month conditional caution which includes a fine and a condition that I visit my gp to receive treatment to 'deal with my behavioural issues. I've not visited my gp yet or paid the fine yet as was told I have to do it within the four month time frame but am planning to do so before the deadline of course to avoid court. Now I've had a letter demanding payment asap and they also want indefinite access to my medical records as they said they've not received my gp's details. I didn't inform them of my gp at time of arrest just asked how they'd know I've been to the doctors and they just said they can find out and never actually asked who my doctor was. There's nothing in the conditions that say I have to give them my medical records so can I ignore this letter? I'll inform them once I've been to the doctor of course. I don't consent to them harvesting my medical details for such a minor offence which was basically swearing I was quite drunk but wasn't arrested for being drunk. Thanks

[Muppe]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

So I don't know what treatment for my my behaviour entails all seems a bit over zealous. I was a bit of a clown but never threatened or insulted anyone just argued with the police and used swearwords here and there.

[nemesis45]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

So I don't know what treatment for my my behaviour entails all seems a bit over zealous. I was a bit of a clown but never threatened or insulted anyone just argued with the police and used swearwords here and there.

Hello Muppe,

Was it suggested that you needed to have help with " anger management" ? Who actually issued the caution, a senior police officer was an police authorised doctor involved?

nem

[Muppe]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

Hi nem, It was a police officer who issued the caution there wasn't a doctor there. The condition states "to book an appointment with your local GP and receive the necessary treatment to deal with your behavioural issues leading to the offence for which you have committed" it's a bit vague really. They never specified exactly what for I said oh for drinking and they just nodded. I don't particularly want to go on some course just to suit them as only drink a few times a month. Im not sure if they can quiz the doctor on what was said surely I have to give consent? This demand for indefinite access to my medical records is ridiculous imo.

[Muppe]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

Also do you think that this latest letter is just a friendly reminder of the conditions? I was told have to do these things within the 4 months that I'm under caution so surely even if I leave it til the day before they can't do anything?

[nemesis45]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

Hi nem, It was a police officer who issued the caution there wasn't a doctor there. The condition states "to book an appointment with your local GP and receive the necessary treatment to deal with your behavioural issues leading to the offence for which you have committed" it's a bit vague really. They never specified exactly what for I said oh for drinking and they just nodded. I don't particularly want to go on some course just to suit them as only drink a few times a month. Im not sure if they can quiz the doctor on what was said surely I have to give consent? This demand for indefinite access to my medical records is ridiculous imo.

Hello Muppe,
My personal thoughts/ advice would be to make the appointment with your GP show the doctor the caution and explain what it is alleged you did (is there any history of similar events?)

I presume a fixed penalty " ticket" was issued, if so if you don't pay you will be brought before a court.

nem

[Muppe]

Re: Conditional caution section 5 (1) and (6) public order act 1986?

Hello Muppe,
My personal thoughts/ advice would be to make the appointment with your GP show the doctor the caution and explain what it is alleged you did (is there any history of similar events?)

I presume a fixed penalty " ticket" was issued, if so if you don't pay you will be brought before a court.

nem

Have spoken to the justice team and paid the fine and asked about the appointment and demand for access to my records. He was nice man said it's just to make it easier so just have to go to the doctor and inform them I've been but I can also have the doctor write a letter and send it to them would much rather the latter of course. He said it says indefinite as cautions vary in how long they are for which makes sense but also said some cautions stay on the system for a very long time even when expired so it would seem they have access as long as it's on record which I don't like the sound of! Maybe just being paranoid but I value my privacy. Yes I am definitely going at some point soon and no I've not been in any trouble of this nature before. Many thanks