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Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

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  • Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

    Hi, would appreciate an "expert" opinion on the above act.
    I posted a document to DVLA and they say that they have not received it.
    The non receipt means that I do not get a refund and I maybe fined for not notifying them. I know I posted it and have a witness to that, but cannot, through my own stupidity, prove any more than that.
    I then came across the above act that seems, by my interpretation, to relieve the burden of proof from me and place it back with the DVLA.
    Am I right?
    Below is the act as I found it on the internet, does anyone have any thoughts on this?
    Appendix 3.5 – England - Service of documents by post

    1.0 Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

    This states:-
    "7. Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression "serve" or the expressions "give" or "send" or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post."
    2.0 Practice Direction - Service of Documents - First and Second Class Mail

    "With effect from 16 April 1985 the Practice Direction issued on 30 July 1968 is hereby revoked and the following is substituted therefore.
    1. Under S7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 service by post is deemed to have been effected, unless the contrary has been proved, at the time when the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.
    2. To avoid uncertainty as to the date of service it will be taken (subject to proof to the contrary) that delivery in the ordinary course of post was effected:-
    (a) in the case of first class mail, on the second working day after posting;
    (b) in the case of second class mail, on the fourth working day after posting.
    3. "Working days" are Monday to Friday, excluding any bank holiday.

    4. Affidavits of service shall state whether the document was dispatched by first or second class mail. If this information is omitted it will be assumed that second class mail was used.
    5. This direction is subject to the special provisions of RSC Order 10, rule 1(3) relating to the service of originating process.
    8 March 1985
    J R BICKFORD SMITH Senior Master
    Queen's Bench Division
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  • #2
    Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

    I take it this is a tax / SORN issue?
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    • #3
      Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

      Originally posted by R0b View Post
      I take it this is a tax / SORN issue?
      Yes it is, my V5C/3 (notice of sale to a trader) was completed and posted but they say it never arrived.
      So it's a stalemate at the moment, I said I sent it, they say they never received it.

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      • #4
        Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

        Take a look at this thread http://legalbeagles.info/forums/show...-Summnons-SORN

        Post number 15, the first half wont apply but the second half will - does that help?


        It will be a backwards and forwards issue, they will send you out templates and some of those templates will have information on which doesn't apply. They won't chase you down for it, I've been sitting on one for the last 6 months alleged that I never sent anything. The cases I mentioned are all SORN issues, the DVLA is quite happy to rock up to court before withdrawing or sometimes they will withdraw before court proceedings. They tend to prey on those who don't have much of an idea about it, and a fairly recent FOI request had shown that the DVLA is prone to losing mail or not acknowledging it.
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        • #5
          Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

          Thanks for the reply ROb, it's me that has threatened to take them to county court and we are over 6 months down the line with this. I am reasonably sure that the act I mentioned is good enough to use against them and have given them 14 days to cough up or court action will follow.
          I just wanted an legal opinion as to the legislation I was using rather than have egg on my face and have to pay their costs. Note to self-must learn not to be so stubborn.....

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          • #6
            Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

            Have you read Gidden ?

            M1

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            • #7
              Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

              Originally posted by peter p View Post
              Thanks for the reply ROb, it's me that has threatened to take them to county court and we are over 6 months down the line with this. I am reasonably sure that the act I mentioned is good enough to use against them and have given them 14 days to cough up or court action will follow.
              I just wanted an legal opinion as to the legislation I was using rather than have egg on my face and have to pay their costs. Note to self-must learn not to be so stubborn.....
              Forgive me if I'm being stupid but might I ask why you are taking them to court? If the argument is that you have failed to do something by the DVLA the the onus is on them to take action. You could potentially put yourself at risk by taking them to court and getting a judge to rule who on a balance of probabilities may not agree with you, then you'll probably need to appeal it and incurring further costs.

              If it doesn't affect you e.g they have marked your credit file or there is a CCJ then I would leave it in the DVLAs hands. They're not going to do anything about this as they can't prove it and it's your word against theirs hence the length of time and no action taken, if the DVLA had a case they'd have submitted a claim by now. If you honestly sent the docs back then wait for them to take you to court.
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              • #8
                Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                I suspect OP is looking for refund of vehicle tax

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                • #9
                  Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                  Originally posted by mystery1 View Post
                  Have you read Gidden ?

                  M1
                  I have now.....
                  Thank you, very interesting. I had to read it several times to fully understand the arguments put forward. While my situation is the other way round it does answer the fact that DVLA cannot take action against me (or so it seems) as it has been going on for some months now and no notice of prosecution has been made or received from them.
                  My reply to ROb gives more info.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                    [MENTION=5354]mystery1[/MENTION] just looked at the gidden case, I may be wrong but I think SORN and tax issues come under the road and vehicle registration and licensing regs? Could be wrong but the above springs to mind for some reason
                    If you have a question about the voluntary termination process, please read this guide first, as it should have all the answers you need. Please do not hijack another person's thread as I will not respond to you
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                    • #11
                      Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                      Originally posted by R0b View Post
                      @mystery1 just looked at the gidden case, I may be wrong but I think SORN and tax issues come under the road and vehicle registration and licensing regs? Could be wrong but the above springs to mind for some reason
                      Quite probably but Gidden, whilst not specifically the interpretation act, does shed some light on how deemed service works.

                      M1

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                      • #12
                        Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                        Originally posted by R0b View Post
                        Forgive me if I'm being stupid but might I ask why you are taking them to court? If the argument is that you have failed to do something by the DVLA the the onus is on them to take action. You could potentially put yourself at risk by taking them to court and getting a judge to rule who on a balance of probabilities may not agree with you, then you'll probably need to appeal it and incurring further costs.

                        If it doesn't affect you e.g they have marked your credit file or there is a CCJ then I would leave it in the DVLAs hands. They're not going to do anything about this as they can't prove it and it's your word against theirs hence the length of time and no action taken, if the DVLA had a case they'd have submitted a claim by now. If you honestly sent the docs back then wait for them to take you to court.
                        ROb
                        No your not being stupid, I have not explained it very well.
                        Mystery1 has cleared up the fine/prosecution angle (by DVLA) for me.

                        DVLA deny receiving the V5C/3 that would have told them we traded the car into a dealer. Because of this we have been deducted a considerable amount, by DVLA, from the VED refund they sent. I have been in dispute about this and having exhausting DVLA's complaint procedure I came across this piece of legislation.
                        We did all we were obliged to do but DVLA are still saying sorry we never received it and that's the end of it!!!
                        I was hoping to use this piece of legislation to persuade them otherwise and possibly threaten to county court them if they refused.
                        As OAP's every penny is precious now, we cant afford to go throwing money away like this, it was not our fault that the document is lost but are being penalised all the same!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Expert advice needed on The Interpretation Act 1978, Section 7

                          Originally posted by R0b View Post
                          @mystery1 just looked at the gidden case, I may be wrong but I think SORN and tax issues come under the road and vehicle registration and licensing regs? Could be wrong but the above springs to mind for some reason
                          I think you maybe right ROb but it does clear up me being fined for not notifying them as the 14 days are long gone.

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