Traffic signals/road signs

[CYNthesys]

I understand that the instructions/directions of a Police Officer overrule traffic signals.

Im trying to help a friend with a PATAS appeal. There are very limited grounds of appeal and Adjudicators cannot take mitigating circumstances into account

The Police were not on signal duty as such, but in London on Jubilee Tuesday 5th June there was a heavy Police presence advising motorists of routes to use because of diversions and road closures. Uniformed Police told friend to follow a certain route, and he ended up getting a PCN by doing as he was advised.

Can anyone help please, Im looking for any caselaw that shows a Police Officers instructions overrule traffic signals

[Sapphire]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Bluebottle will know, he was a copper.

[CYNthesys]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

BUMP

caselaw, rules, regulations, anything that might help please

[Inca]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

:bump:

[bluebottle]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Speak to TfL and/or the London Borough in which this alleged violation occurred, ask if a Traffic Management Order (TMO) was in force on that particular day and ask for a copy of the TMO.

The other one to contact is the Metropolitan Police Service. Their postal address is -

Commander
Traffic Division
Metropolitan Police Service
New Scotland Yard
Broadway
London
SW1H 0BG

They might be able to assist.

[mystery1]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

What was the contravention ?

M1

[CYNthesys]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

doing a u-turn

[bluebottle]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Pity they don't ticket politicians for doing u-turns. The number Boy George has done since becoming Chancellor, would provide an LA with a nice little earner.

[CYNthesys]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

So far I havent been able to find any traffic management orders applicable for that date so I will keep on searching, but I found this-
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/images/...2012-no.96.pdf

paragraph 10 is interesting -

10. General Exemptions
1) Nothing in the Order shall apply:-

a) to anything done with the permission or at the direction of a police constable
in uniform or a Traffic Police Community Support Officer in uniform; or
b) to any person who causes any vehicle to proceed in accordance with any
restriction or requirement indicated by traffic signs placed pursuant to Section
66 or Section 67 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984; or
c) to any vehicle being used in an emergency for police, ambulance, fire and
rescue authority or fire brigade purposes

[CYNthesys]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Nice one Bluebottle LOL

[bluebottle]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Write to TfL and the MPS, Cyn. Not all TMOs get published on the internet.

[mystery1]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

I'd be on to the council for a copy of the traffic regulation order for this and see what it says.

M1

[CYNthesys]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Gathered a bit more info

8.2 Traffic on the road network was generally light throughout the weekend, with
significant reductions observed at various sites. Hourly flows were measured for
the Sunday, Monday and Tuesday based on a sample of 10 automatic traffic
counters in central London, and compared to a baseline of the average of the
prior two Sundays. Sunday and Tuesday both had significant road closures in
place for events, and all Royal Parks’ roads were closed for the duration of the
Bank Holiday weekend.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...MDs-Report.pdf

[michael]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Nearly all TRO/TMO's will have a clause which reads something to the effect:

Nothing in Section xx of this Order shall apply to anything done with the permision or at the direction of a policeofficer in uniform

[bluebottle]

Re: Traffic signals/road signs

Nearly all TRO/TMO's will have a clause which reads something to the effect:

Nothing in Section xx of this Order shall apply to anything done with the permision or at the direction of a policeofficer in uniform

Absolutely. You need to write to TfL and the MPS for copies of the relevant TRO/TMO, Cyn. Once you have that, the answer should reveal itself.