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"We will pay the claimant within 21 days of receipt of a sealed copy of this order"

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  • "We will pay the claimant within 21 days of receipt of a sealed copy of this order"

    A bank paid me several days later than legally obliged, leading to significant problems which I will not go into here. Suffice to say I am not happy. I am several hundred pounds out of pocket. And it is clear the bank are just disorganised.

    The sealed Tomlin order was sent to both parties by the court on Wednesday February 12th. I received it in the mail Friday February 14th. I can prove this. Also, CPR 6.26 states that this date i.e. February 14th; the second business day after it was sent, is to be considered the service date for a court document.

    I consider payment was due, at the latest, by Thursday March 6th, as this is the 21st day from February 12th.

    The bank responsible for payment, who I subsequently made a complaint to about the late payment, have stated in their response that that CPR 6.26 does not apply here, as they stated "receipt of" and not the term "served by" which allows them several extra days. They state they received the Tomlin order on February 17th.

    Further, when I pointed out that they still only had until March 9th to make the payment, being the 21st day as per their statement above i.e. "within XXX days", they have drawn my attention to CPR 2.8.

    The only thing of relevance to this specific term that I can see in CPR 2.8 is the following:


    ""(iii) Particulars of claim must be served within 14 days of service of the claim form.

    The claim form is served on 2 October.

    The last day for service of the particulars of claim is 16 October."


    Not only is this a bit unfair, as far as I am concerned, as they want to pick and choose which parts of the CPR apply to their argument, but this is then what I have found myself online:

    "Within 21 days in legal terms means that a company or person has a strict deadline of 21 calendar days from the date of a specific event to take a required action, essentially meaning they must complete the action within 21 days, including the day the event occurred".

    Further, I have read that the term "clear days" should be used if you intend for the first day to not be included.

    Therefore bank had, even by their date, until the 9th March to make payment. As this is a Sunday, and the banking system does not make these type of payments on the weekend, it follows that it should have been made by the Friday before.

    But even had I received the payment on the Sunday, which is the first date they say they received my email chasing the late payment, I could have avoided incurring the costs I am complaining about.

    Interestingly, I have been told that if I start a new claim to pursue my complaint about the alleged breached Tomlin order, the ban kwill apply for summary judgment against me, and will then recover the costs they expect to be awarded from my bank balance!!!

    It all seems to me to be threats and bluff.

    Can the legal savvy members of this forum tell me whether my thoughts above are sound?

    I think that the date of receipt could reasonably be expected to be the date of service, and 21 days would start on the day of receipt of the Tomlin Order.










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  • #2
    21 days from February 16 takes you to March 9. Your different interpretation is not correct.

    You do not say when the payment was in fact made.

    Any further action that you bring will most likely be struck out, possibly with a costs order against you.

    ​​​Also, when saying that you have found something online, please identify the source. I disagree with the statement that you have quoted. The Civil Procedure Rules are the primary source of information relating to court proceedings.
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    Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

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    • #3
      Originally posted by atticus View Post
      21 days from February 16 takes you to March 9. Your different interpretation is not correct.

      You do not say when the payment was in fact made.

      Any further action that you bring will most likely be struck out, possibly with a costs order against you.

      ​​​Also, when saying that you have found something online, please identify the source. I disagree with the statement that you have quoted. The Civil Procedure Rules are the primary source of information relating to court proceedings.

      Payment was made March 10th.

      So if they state receipt of the Tomlin Order was February 17th, are they one day late?

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      • #4
        Also: "The Civil Procedure Rules are the primary source of information relating to court proceedings."

        Does this therefore mean the date of receipt of the Tomlin Order sent by the court would be the second business day after being sent?

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        • #5
          The date of receipt is the date on which the thing is *received*. This is not to be confused with the provisions relating to deemed service.

          21 days after February 17 is March 10. February this year was 28 days. So 28 days later is March 17. Deduct 7 days, and use your fingers to work out the answer.
          Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

          Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

          https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

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          • #6
            If the CPR states service is deemed to be two days after being mailed, then the day it was 'received' is exactly the same thing, is it not?

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            • #7
              It is not.
              Originally posted by atticus View Post
              The date of receipt is the date on which the thing is *received*. This is not to be confused with the provisions relating to deemed service.
              Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

              Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

              https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

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