Written warning for absence - produced sick note

[leclerc]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

But if Im not allowed a pay rise, how can someone else get a promotion which includes a pay rise?!

This one is a no brainer. By definition if they are promoted then they are in a higher position with a higher salary. Is that what you mean?

[CleverClogs]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

You are really not helping.

Really?
I'd hoped to be helping to spread illness throughout Simon Legree & Co.

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

But they are on a warning stopping them indefinitely from getting a pay rise/bonus. So it makes no sense to me how that is fair.

[leclerc]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

But they are on a warning stopping them indefinitely from getting a pay rise/bonus. So it makes no sense to me how that is fair.

How do you know that they are on a warning?(I am assuming it should be confidential so if not then apologies).
If they are on a warning then it should never be indefinitely but for a fixed period of time, ie does a warning end at some point?
It should not stop them getting a pay rise if they get promotion but it may stop them getting bonuses if that is within the contract. It would be unfair if they did not get a pay rise as a result of a promotion to be honest, but that would be their concern rather than yourself.

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

Well, it is supposed to be confidential, however it was well known fact for whatever reasons I don't know. A warning lasts for 12 months, in that time a bonus or pay rise is a no-no. Applying for internal jobs is also techincally a big no as well, this depends on your manager I guess, but your sanction is supposed to be taken into account. Since here a promotion is considered a reward - as is a pay rise, I was just confused how that was allowed. *shrug*. All seems slightly corrupt to me!!!

[CleverClogs]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

But they are on a warning stopping them indefinitely from getting a pay rise/bonus. So it makes no sense to me how that is fair.

How might their warning prevent them from being promoted to their respective level of incompetence?
(cf The Peter Principle - link)

[CleverClogs]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

Well, it is supposed to be confidential, however it was well known fact for whatever reasons I don't know. A warning lasts for 12 months, in that time a bonus or pay rise is a no-no. Applying for internal jobs is also techincally a big no as well, this depends on your manager I guess, but your sanction is supposed to be taken into account. Since here a promotion is considered a reward - as is a pay rise, I was just confused how that was allowed. *shrug*. All seems slightly corrupt to me!!!

They were probably too competent where they were.

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

They were never there!!

[leclerc]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

Well, it is supposed to be confidential, however it was well known fact for whatever reasons I don't know. A warning lasts for 12 months, in that time a bonus or pay rise is a no-no. Applying for internal jobs is also techincally a big no as well, this depends on your manager I guess, but your sanction is supposed to be taken into account. Since here a promotion is considered a reward - as is a pay rise, I was just confused how that was allowed. *shrug*. All seems slightly corrupt to me!!!

A promotion is not necessarily a reward but if the candidates that applied were not as qualified as the said individual then clearly they would have been promoted on the merits of their application. If they were promoted then they would receive a pay rise as befits the job role. They could hardly promote someone and then effectively say that their colleague who they may supervise is allowed to earn more money than them. That would be corrupt to be honest.

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

Here's your warning for 12 months, a sanction because you breached company policy, you're not allowed a pay rise or bonus as that is a reward. But hey, take a new job, you're an asset to the company. Urgh. Hate that place.

[Celestine]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

I have twice had to issue warnings to staff who have had doctors notes for every single day of absence. It's not just the total, it's how it's made up.
It was called a trigger system.

1 period of 5 day absence in a 3 month period OK,
3 separate periods of 3 days absence plus 1 day and then another day would trigger at the very least a review.
If two triggers occurred within a year, that would automatically result in a written warning. Options after that were Occ Health Review or Capabilities Assessment (Urghh). Not disciplinary though.

In one instance, issuing the written warning caused an aggravation in the chaps depression. No choice in the matter at all as Manager.

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

The thing is, the managers decide whether or not it to issue warnings. So I had to plead my case and it was in their hands (one specific manager). I had spoken to a solicitor just to see where I stood regarding my appeal. She doesn't think its right that they declined it and I should have had a right to one.

[Celestine]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

The thing is, the managers decide whether or not it to issue warnings. So I had to plead my case and it was in their hands (one specific manager). I had spoken to a solicitor just to see where I stood regarding my appeal. She doesn't think its right that they declined it and I should have had a right to one.

That is true in some situations, but if there is an formal 'absence trigger' system, then it wont have been in your managers hands. She will have been following a strict HR policy, otherwise it would be pointless having such a system in the first place.

I was able to use discretion in some situations but more often than not, I had to follow policy. What sector are you in?

[rach321]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

Retail, there is a procedure but they can phone a third party company for 'guidance' and then it is their discretion or so I was told by my rep.

[Eloise01]

Re: Written warning for absence - produced sick note

There is an absolute - as soon as they start using "discretion" their policy is in tatters and the legal basis for it is shredded. There is only one possible use of discretion and that is disability.

Look, this is not that serious. It feels like it, but it isn't. It could be, but it isn't. What they are doing, many many employers are doing. It won't be better somewhere else. It could be worse. If you are worth it to them - they'll promote you. Draw a line. Fretting won't improve things. It won't make you any healthier either. This is bad luck. S**t happens! If you want that promotion - chase it!