Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

It might be a good idea to let Richard Dunstan at CAB HQ know about this. He's pursuing a lot of RLP cases. I get periodic updates from him about Civil Recovery.

Blue bottle how can I contact Mr Dunstan, I really wanted to complaint against the CAB advisor I met, he stressed me so much that i made up my mind not to pay my rent on time for the first time in last 5 years. he even said to me that RLP took me to court then i would be made to leave country and could never be able to convert my residency in UK to a indefinite stay/citizenship. i could have done something to myself with that friendly advice, i thank my mental health counsellor who held me at that time and made me calm down.
the way CAB advisor treated me ( i was in wrong I know) like a top class murderer I was shocked and decided that whatever happens I m not climbing the stairs of this place ever in my life.


thanks

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

hello all

I have found this on the internet. i have had read this but i would like if soem one can read it for me and explain it a little in detail as to what it means, sorry my mind is completely paralysed at the moment it seems, many thanks for ur continued patience.



PNLD FAQ Alphabetical List -

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

hello all can some one please have a look o this for me please

PNLD FAQ Alphabetical List -

A formal adult warning is given by the police to an adult for an offence. Formal warning schemes are operated by all police forces in consultation with the local procurator fiscal. A letter is sent to the person, who then has 28 days to respond to it by either accepting or refusing the warning. If the person refuses the warning, then the case will be reviewed again by the police to decide on any further action. The case may also be referred to the procurator fiscal.

Formal warnings will be recorded for a period of 2 years by the Scottish Criminal Records office but they do not count as a conviction.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

I would say you have a good chance of heading this off at the pass and politely declining RLP's invitation to pay anything.

I would pen an apologetic but firm letter

It might be better to ignore RLP as they are based in England whereas 'depressed2011' lives in Scotland.

Scotland has its own law, its own case law and its own courts. Not even the rather dubious 'precedents' that the RLP parasites might cite are at all binding on any Scottish court and, unless their knowledge of the law was solely gleaned from the 1965 Perry Mason Annual, they'll surely know that they'd have to use the Scottish courts.

RLP prefers not to take cases to court, anyway, as they know they'd lose any contested action. Apologising to RLP could, therefore, be counter-productive, as it would make those boorish bullies believe that they might be able to extract some money if the threats and pressure were maintained.

In the very unlikely event of those jerks writing to me, I would probably thank them for their letter, decline to pay anything and refer them to the retort in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

Blue bottle how can I contact Mr Dunstan, I really wanted to complaint against the CAB advisor I met, he stressed me so much that i made up my mind not to pay my rent on time for the first time in last 5 years. he even said to me that RLP took me to court then i would be made to leave country

What utter CRAP! :yell:

Foreign nationals can be deported after having served a prison sentence for committing a serious offence but, as the petty theft you seem to have committed was nowhere near serious enough for you to be deported, as you are not going to be prosecuted for any offence and as RLP rarely - if ever - take anyone to a civil (not criminal) court, that threat is just complete nonsense!

Was the CAB advisor quietly masturbating (fiddling with himself) under the desk as he told you that rubbish?

and could never be able to convert my residency in UK to a indefinite stay/citizenship. i could have done something to myself with that friendly advice, i thank my mental health counsellor who held me at that time and made me calm down.
the way CAB advisor treated me ( i was in wrong I know) like a top class murderer

Never mind Mr Dunstan - if you send me a private message to tell me that oaf's name and the 'phone number of the CAB he infests, I will be delighted to tell him what a pitiful apology for a human being he is!

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

@ Clever clogs - thanks for ur message.
I m least bothered about RLP thanks to the members on here, the duty manager of that store did two things to me for which i would demand an explanation before they could say anything to me

1) he blabbered to me about being a pakistani, which is racial discrimination, there is a video proof of it in cctv while he was following me to teh little room. the footage might not be there so they wud need it equally to refute my accusation of racial discrimination as much as i would need to prove it.

2) he took my handbag off me without asking me and emptied it there was nothing in that handbag that belonged to him or his work place and they would have to explain that behavior to me, he is a person of opposite gender and i take offence for a man going through my personal clothing items, i would class that as a disgrace based on my cultural following.

Regarding the CAB guy i dun know his name but i can recognize him I will complaint against him once i sort out this mess, he made me sign something which i have no idea about, when i asked him for details he said its nothing just a paper formality.

I just dont want this adult formal warning thing to appear on my records for immigration purposes. who would be the best person to ask about it , should i visit the police station and ask for more details about the same?

[CleverClogs]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

I just dont want this adult formal warning thing to appear on my records for immigration purposes.

It won't.

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

i have had a read of Direct measures (DM's) applied by police liek discretion to isue FAW FPN PSD etc

Accepting a DM is not an admission of guilt. DMs are not a conviction, but fiscal DMs are retained on the criminal history system for twenty years or until the age of 40, whichever is longer. They may be disclosed in court only for the first two years, although they may be disclosed in an enhanced Disclosure or to help inform future police or prosecution decisions during the longer period. Police DMs are retained on the system for only two years, however. If a person does not challenge a DM within 28 days to seek a court hearing, the penalty is deemed accepted.

Justices of the Peace felt that the 'leap' from accepting to challenging a DM was a barrier for some accused persons to making representation concerning mitigating or other circumstances. The survey of persons offered DMs provided isolated examples of such cases but was not large enough to be representative. On a related point there was some concern from JPs that fiscals, particularly, might issue DMs without having access to sufficient information or social enquiry reports about an accused person who might need to have underlying issues (for example, drug or alcohol dependence) addressed.

Other professionals, notably the police and fiscals, felt that the option to request a court hearing was fair. They pointed to low levels of challenges for DMs (around 0.5% for police DMs, data not yet available for fiscal DMs). Generally, the vast majority of professionals welcomed the lack of a full criminal record for what might be a minor, one-off offence and therefore saw DMs as fair and proportionate.

There are some concerns about whether the consequences of accepting a DM are being made sufficiently clear to those accepting DMs in terms of jobs requiring an enhanced Disclosure and travel visas, and retention beyond the two year period

Such issues were considered during the bill's passage and by the SG when considering the consultation responses it received following the McInnes summary justice review report. The SG considered that since an accused person was under no obligation to accept an offer of a DM and could opt for a determination by a court, the conclusions of the Stewart Committee, on whose recommendations FFs were originally introduced in 1987, held good.

[bluebottle]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

Blue bottle how can I contact Mr Dunstan, I really wanted to complaint against the CAB advisor I met, he stressed me so much that i made up my mind not to pay my rent on time for the first time in last 5 years. he even said to me that RLP took me to court then i would be made to leave country and could never be able to convert my residency in UK to a indefinite stay/citizenship. i could have done something to myself with that friendly advice, i thank my mental health counsellor who held me at that time and made me calm down.
the way CAB advisor treated me ( i was in wrong I know) like a top class murderer I was shocked and decided that whatever happens I m not climbing the stairs of this place ever in my life.


thanks

Hi,

If you go to the CAB website Citizens Advice - the charity for your community , click on "Contact Us" and then click on a link on the left-hand side of the page that says "complaints policy and procedure".

I have also found out that RLP's in-house solicitors are the subject of formal complaints to the Solicitors Regulatory Authority (SRA).

Best of luck.

Bluebottle

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

hello all

Sorry for being a pain in the neck, I have a query what does 'being charged' with crime means?

was i charged with a crime?

thanks

[teaboy2]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

Depressed, you were not even arrested (correct me if am wrong) by the police, so you can not have been charged by them, if you had youd be going to court facing criminal charges, which clearly has not and is not happening.

All you have been given is the police version of an employment "formal warning" for misconfduct that simply stays on the polices record for a period of 2 years just like a formal warning at work stays on your employment record for a period 12 months - thats the only way i can clearly discribe it to you so you understand that it has little significance so long as you do not commit any further offences in the next 2 years. So stop worrying about whether you have been charged or cautioned as you have not been charged or cautioned at all.

[CleverClogs]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

If, however, you try to get it removed, the police may submit a report to the authorities that could suggest that they prosecute. I would say that is more likely if they think you might do it again and that impression may be less likely if the objection to the warning came from your mental health counsellor. Your counsellor or other therapist(s) could state that needless concern or worry about the warning was impairing your recovery.

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

hello clever clogs, just reiterating what u are suggesting, you think that i should contat my counsellor and ask them to represent me to polcie and inform then thsi incident is causing me undue stress in recovery (which is a fact ) as from past few days am off work and cannot concentrate on anything but that letter
I am meeting my counsellor on tuesday, will speak to him about it and see where it goes.
i never spoke anything at the site of incident as i was too shocked to understadn what i did and i was never asked anything by th cops as i was not in a condition to answer

[bluebottle]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

@ Clever clogs - thanks for ur message.
I m least bothered about RLP thanks to the members on here, the duty manager of that store did two things to me for which i would demand an explanation before they could say anything to me

1) he blabbered to me about being a pakistani, which is racial discrimination, there is a video proof of it in cctv while he was following me to teh little room. the footage might not be there so they wud need it equally to refute my accusation of racial discrimination as much as i would need to prove it.

2) he took my handbag off me without asking me and emptied it there was nothing in that handbag that belonged to him or his work place and they would have to explain that behavior to me, he is a person of opposite gender and i take offence for a man going through my personal clothing items, i would class that as a disgrace based on my cultural following.

Regarding the CAB guy i dun know his name but i can recognize him I will complaint against him once i sort out this mess, he made me sign something which i have no idea about, when i asked him for details he said its nothing just a paper formality.

I just dont want this adult formal warning thing to appear on my records for immigration purposes. who would be the best person to ask about it , should i visit the police station and ask for more details about the same?

Do the police know what this duty manager did, because what he did is highly illegal.

[depressed2011]

Re: Dreaded by the letter from retail loss prevention (RLP) HELP

at bluebottle

no the police didnt know anything, i didnt said a single word to any one, i was shocked on reasoning why I did that and thinking about that spanish woman as she got away with the abuse and the manager did the same to me.

too shocked to understand or do anything. i have never been in trouble with police and this is a foreign country for me where i do not understand law or my rights, hence i took up what ever came up to me in terms of bad behavior and racial abuse.
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If, however, you try to get it removed, the police may submit a report to the authorities that could suggest that they prosecute. I would say that is more likely if they think you might do it again and that impression may be less likely if the objection to the warning came from your mental health counsellor. Your counsellor or other therapist(s) could state that needless concern or worry about the warning was impairing your recovery.

hello clever clogs, just reiterating what u are suggesting, you think that i should contat my counsellor and ask them to represent me to polcie and inform then thsi incident is causing me undue stress in recovery (which is a fact ) as from past few days am off work and cannot concentrate on anything but that letter
I am meeting my counsellor on tuesday, will speak to him about it and see where it goes.
i never spoke anything at the site of incident as i was too shocked to understadn what i did and i was never asked anything by th cops as i was not in a condition to answer