Slander Correct steps

[bluebottle]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Sort of but not.

I was a member of a club, some individuals do not like me so have tried tirelessly to get rid of me. Opportunity arose by manipulating an interaction with another into something it was not. This involved allegations against me by third parties. Then the club would act against me, without proper substantiation of allegations or any to be honest. This is partly, if not entirely due to discrimination/bigotry on the part of the club. This hypothesis is down to how others have been treated and myself, views shared and attributed to the club by members and community. Also the heavily uneven treatment in the past, of myself and others. Before we even get to that, allegations need to be dealt with first.

Thank you for that, Rickie. It has made things much clearer. Have any of the others who, like yourself, have been subjected to discrimination or bigotry, been treated as such due to any of the protected elements under the Equality Act 2010, e.g. skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, etc..? If you can elaborate it would help to gain a clearer picture of what is going on and what can be done to deal with those behind the discrimination/bigotry.

[rickierich]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Thank you for that, Rickie. It has made things much clearer. Have any of the others who, like yourself, have been subjected to discrimination or bigotry, been treated as such due to any of the protected elements under the Equality Act 2010, e.g. skin colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, etc..? If you can elaborate it would help to gain a clearer picture of what is going on and what can be done to deal with those behind the discrimination/bigotry.

That is implicit and is largely subconscious, it would be through balancing the probabilities and use reverse burden of proof. Before we even get to that stage, the slander would have to be sorted first. Dealing with the discrimination would involve alot of other incidents and would make this alot harder to deal with. Especially considering the way the final incident has been handled it continues a pattern of behaviour, this incident in isolation is a question of third party slander and then the social club going along with it even though its supposition etc etc.
I think I first have to deal with the third parties and ensure that it is slander then deal with the club on discrimination matters. Once I get the sars dealt with I can move pretty quickly. I will get legal aid at this point.
Is there any letter I can write to press home the point of the sars. and which CPR rules can I quote. If necessary, can I get a court order for information as well, especially If they ignore the SARs. If I have to go to the information commissioner's office it eats into the 6 month time limit for discrimination cases and I will have to bring a case quickly before I am able to formality a case/strategy to prove my position.

[wales01man]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Can you get legal aid to bring this case?

[bluebottle]

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It would help if you could detail the nature of discrimination and bigotry against yourself and the other members, Rickie. If it is shown that there is a culture of such behaviour and those responsible for the management of the social club are involved in it or know that is going on and have not done anything to abate it, that is, they have tacitly approved of it or connived in it, my feeling is that this would add weight to your case.

[rickierich]

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Can you get legal aid to bring this case?

You can normally get legal aid for descrimination cases.

[bluebottle]

Re: Slander Correct steps

You can normally get legal aid for descrimination cases.

Don't forget that Failing Grayling has been buggering around with Legal Aid so check just to be on the safe side.

[rickierich]

Re: Slander Correct steps

It would help if you could detail the nature of discrimination and bigotry against yourself and the other members, Rickie. If it is shown that there is a culture of such behaviour and those responsible for the management of the social club are involved in it or know that is going on and have not done anything to abate it, that is, they have tacitly approved of it or connived in it, my feeling is that this would add weight to your case.

I completely agree with you, but the third parties are external to the social group, I still need to know what has been said and by who, otherwise I am going blind. I will bring a case against the social group, but I need to gather as much information first and quickly. I got to get the sar's all of what you have said holds and can be shown. The discrimination is in the form of discipline suspensions letters etc etc. But that is a really long long discussion. I need to get information first cause that may even have more evidence. Once I get the sars then I can move on the discrimination cause I have questionaires and comparative data to try and amalgamate. So you see I have to overcome sars first.

[bluebottle]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Hi Rickie,

What I am trying to get at is do these discipline/suspensions so far appear to be targeting people from specific groups, e.g. those who have a different coloured skin, or come from another country, or are gay/lesbian, or are disabled, or have learning difficulties. If you want my honest opinion, Rickie, the two individuals behind the suspension of membership in your case appear to be agitators and where such individuals have been found within communities and groups, they do this sort of thing to whip up tension and cause division. All I am going to say is proceed with caution.

[rickierich]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Hi Rickie,

What I am trying to get at is do these discipline/suspensions so far appear to be targeting people from specific groups, e.g. those who have a different coloured skin, or come from another country, or are gay/lesbian, or are disabled, or have learning difficulties. If you want my honest opinion, Rickie, the two individuals behind the suspension of membership in your case appear to be agitators and where such individuals have been found within communities and groups, they do this sort of thing to whip up tension and cause division. All I am going to say is proceed with caution.

Your reasoning is 100% correct that was their intention, the individuals are not part of the group. But within the group there is not consistency based on ethnicity. I will proceed with caution, which is why I have followed your advice as relates to SARs and information gathering.

[rickierich]

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Don't forget that Failing Grayling has been buggering around with Legal Aid so check just to be on the safe side.

If I can not get aid, I will just do it myself.

[stevemLS]

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I don't want to be rude but you seem ill equipped to pursue the matter on your own.

You do realise that regardless of your own costs, if you launch proceedings and lose, you are liable for their costs.

I still haven't worked out what has gone on despite reading the full thread.

As far as I understand it legal aid has never been available for defamation.

[rickierich]

Re: Slander Correct steps

I don't want to be rude but you seem ill equipped to pursue the matter on your own.

You do realise that regardless of your own costs, if you launch proceedings and lose, you are liable for their costs.

I still haven't worked out what has gone on despite reading the full thread.

As far as I understand it legal aid has never been available for defamation.

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There are other issues that legal aid can be used for and there are no costs that can be attributed with that.

[rickierich]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Hi Rickie,

What I am trying to get at is do these discipline/suspensions so far appear to be targeting people from specific groups, e.g. those who have a different coloured skin, or come from another country, or are gay/lesbian, or are disabled, or have learning difficulties. If you want my honest opinion, Rickie, the two individuals behind the suspension of membership in your case appear to be agitators and where such individuals have been found within communities and groups, they do this sort of thing to whip up tension and cause division. All I am going to say is proceed with caution.

‘pre-action disclosure’ rules.

Could you please draft me a generic letter relating to this thanks, as SAR can not get me all the information I require. There is no real way to get around these rules though. disclosure rules that is.

Also could I have help with a slander letter, I need to move forward on two fronts so a generic one should be fine, if the process could be reaffirmed or the CPR link thanks. I will see about legal aid, which I will get for the third.

[stevemLS]

Re: Slander Correct steps

Rickie - I don't think I or anyone else will be able or willing to draft correspondence for you - particularly when the facts and the situation you are talking about remains (unless I am being especially dense) shrouded in mystery.

[Wombats]

Re: Slander Correct steps

I agree with the above. If I'm honest I think you are almost certain to lose a very substantial amount of money and achieve absolutely nothing. I understand fully the desire to pursue things as far as possible when you feel a real injustice has been done, I honestly do, but there comes a time when for everyone's sake it's best to leave the dust settle and move on.

My opinion is that that time has come.