free speech is not dead

[labman]

Re: free speech is not dead

i have put in another JFK SPEECH, this time the cuban missile crisis

what i am trying to show is that JFK was a true statesman, he believed in a passion that was his calling. these things are not given to the kids in school to learn the values of brotherhood and equality, and the lengths people will go to preserve that liberty

http://youtu.be/i2QS-zTWDxo

Sadly, overly idealistic values. I think you'd actually find that if you visited most primary schools, you would find most children do have those values. In fact they are very passionate about those values. The question must therefore be posed, "What happens to change those noble values?"

Clearly something we are doing must be wrong if your statement is agreed to be true.

[miliitant]

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children are not born with prejudice

so the answer must be social upbringing

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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I can remember watching a Micheal Jackson interveiw, and they asked him how he chose his dance moves.
He said, I show them to the kids in the street, and if one says WOW thats cool, it is. Always ask a child as they don't have a reason to lie, hate or hurt you.

[labman]

Re: free speech is not dead

children are not born with prejudice

so the answer must be social upbringing

OK, so if we accept children from most backgrounds hold very honourable values up to the end of primary school, which they do, what elements of social upbringing come into play to cause the change after this age? One has to presume that for the majority their home social upbringing does not change dramatically, so what does?

[miliitant]

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i would say the onset of puberty when a child pays more attention to its suroundings and starts to imitate the actions of others

making effeminate voices as an example

or making west indian jokes to marijuana

look at our culture

first it was the the west indians who decided to settle in this country. the ship was called the empire windrush in 1948

then it was the irish
then it was people from india and pakistan
then it was the people from former soviet states, remember the term "giro czech"
then it was the polish people

i have not spoken to my father in ten years because of his biggoted attitudes to people of different culture and sexual orientation. he still say "those dam queers should be shot"

we are not all regimented like the chinese society

we still have people in our society who are an ameba that refuse to evolve,

while we have these sort of people having a direct influence on our children, change will be a slow process

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL

[Hurricane Puffrose]

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Thank you Militant.

I was raised by a liberal mum and a (to his mind) staunch Irishman. My dad would have awful names on gay people, and tease my brother about it. Until he met the man I refer to as my brother.
I can remember the day that we all sat in the pub, Matt with his then boyfriend, loved up to the eyeballs, and some guy asked him "Bobby, whos the poof in the black shirt?"
Dad was only small, he joked my mum was farting about with the circus when us 2 arrived as my brother is 6'3 ish and im tall for a woman, but he pulled himself to his full height, and looked the man in the eye and said "You mean my SON?"

When he found out I was pregnant with my daughter, he took me to one side and said "You teach that baby.. no matter what, the person they are speaking to is someone elses child. Never EVER forget that."

The other week, my son, my incredible wonderful boy, was coming home. We are like the Waltons, we have no problem in hugging and saying I love you, he ran to me and said Hi mammy, love you.
A small boy no more than 7, turned and said "Glen is GAY!"
My son looked at me, then at the kid and said "My uncle Matt is gay and hes cooler than you are. so whats wrong with being gay? I'd rather be gay than an idiot!"

If you raise your kids that the colour of their neighbours skin, their sexual preferences, or their religion is of no consquence half the problems in the world wouldnt happen.

I hate the song, but think Witney Huston people

I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way.

[miliitant]

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i could not have put it better myself

accept people as who they are

HUMAN BEINGS

[miliitant]

Re: free speech is not dead

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...hM4I_esjbHFeZQ

equality is a long and winding road

my first dissertation was on this lady

[labman]

Re: free speech is not dead

I often used to use this quotation when talking to parents with children entering my school:

"When I look at the youth of today, I despair for the future of civilisation."

After a fair amount of agreement, I pointed out that this is attributed to Aristotle in 300BC.

Socrates said very similar 200 years earlier in 500BC.