Human rights act debate

[miliitant]

The Human Rights Act has been under fire again this week, I am opening up this thread to expel some of the myths surrounding the act and how the right wing press manipulates public opinion to its own political agenda. so what objections do people have on the Human Rights Act as to a new Bill of Rights. lets not get heated people, constructive debate please

[bluebottle]

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I feel the only reason Cameron and his band of assorted right-wing nutters want to get rid of the Human Rights Act is because they want to do what they want and no-one, including a court of law, should be able to stop them. Unfortunately, in a democracy, the government of the day is the servant of the electorate, not its master. A lot of the bad press the HRA receives from the right-wing press is because they, like the Tories, can't seem to understand that the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), in Strasbourg, is part of the Council of Europe, which is made up of 78 different countries, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the European Union. So, if Bill Cash (Conservative) and Nigel Farage (UKIP) are reading this, please, guys, stop behaving like hysterical schoolgirls every time the EHRC is mentioned. The Council of Europe and ECHR was set up to ensure that the evil of fascism and extremism never walks the face of Europe ever again. Don't let Cameron, who is a Communitarian, a cross between Communism and Fascism, particularly, Corporate Fascism, drag this country down into something the Council of Europe and ECHR strive to stop happening again and millions died in the cause of freedom. We owe those who made the ultimate sacrifice the courtesy of ensuring extremism never rears its ugly head again.

[miliitant]

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what people do not realise is that it was a tory who was instrumental in setting up the Human Rights Act. That was Winston Churchill who wanted to bring the basis of UK common law to the emerging nations after WW2. The reason this government is so against the Human Rights Act is that it has a policeman looking over its shoulder to correct abuse of basic human rights. The right to a fair trial and unlawful detention without trial, retention of DNA . A prime example of abuse was section 44 of the Anti terrorism Act. In 350 cases, Britain has lost 271 attacks against British basic human rights, that does not get in the press, does it. Remember people, these are violations of basic human rights.

[miliitant]

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The Human Rights Act does not come from the European union, lets confirm that for a start, you listening mr hague and smith, it comes from the European convention on human rights WHICH WAS DRAFTED IN 1950 AND LAW IN 1953. Even though Britain did not adopt until 1998. This predates the European Communities and Union long before the common market etc. The ECHR was, largely, Britain’s statement of principles, and a challenge to the rest of Europe to match us. It would be a disgrace to fail our own challenge.

[leclerc]

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There was the leader of the UKIP saying on question time that one of the things that you need to have prior to going into the EU is that you adopt Human Rights Act prior to accession.

[Bill-K]

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I'm just subscribing to this, as I am interested in learning about it, so will be following this - but not contributing, as it's mostly over my head. Thanks guys.

[bluebottle]

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There was the leader of the UKIP saying on question time that one of the things that you need to have prior to going into the EU is that you adopt Human Rights Act prior to accession.

You wouldn't happen to be talking about a certain Mr Farage of UKIP who seems to behave like an hysterical schoolgirl whenever anything about Europe is mentioned, by any chance?

[Nikolai]

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Interesting thread, thanks men. Here's some legal trivia for you to dwell on!
We joined the EEC (now the European Union) on 1st January 1973, as provided for in the European Communities Act 1972. Section 2(1) of the ECA says in effect that all provisions of EU Law are given legal force in the UK. Section 2(4) provides that UK Acts of Parliament are subject to European Law. At a stroke, overnight on 31st December 1972, our centuries-old Parliamentary supremacy was gone. (We can always repeal the ECA at some future date, but I wouldn't have thought this was likely).
The Human Rights Act 1998 came into force in October 2000, and incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into UK domestic law. A shame it took us so long, considering we signed the ECHR in 1950.

[bluebottle]

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The ones who repeatedly blocked the incorporation of the ECHR into English Law were successive Conservative governments. Their mentality is more akin to the Victorian era and the ECHR curbs this, which they don't like one little bit. In their eyes, they should be able to do what they want without recourse. The world is undergoing major changes and so is the Collective Consciousness. Whether we like it or not, politics are set to change and will change in a way that the tribal mentality that has ruled politics since the English Civil War will disappear. Expect more hung parliaments in the UK.

[wales01man]

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We should have our own UK human rights act in clear and precise english setting out the rights we all have and the rights we lose when we do certain things and the rights the government and law have on us,
Civil law should be clear in regard of debt bailiffs ETC and time limits set on all actions civil or criminal

[miliitant]

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if we had our own human rights act" or "BRITISH constitution" things like section 44 of the prevention of terrorism act, detention without trial, etc, etc would not be challenged through the courts as the government of the day would just oppose it with little recourse. These things are basic human rights "habeas corpus" being denied if we ever gave up on the ECHR. thank the heavens we have a policeman to police goverments, not just the UK, and keep them in line. The government are taking the first steps towards an autocracy, and as a whole, very dangerous talk. remember also, since the ECHR came into law since conception in 1950. we have been free from a major conflict such as a third world war. lets not forget that shall we and this idea of little Britain and the empire belongs well and truly in the past.

[bluebottle]

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It's like I said earlier, Miliitant, the Conservatives are physically in the here and now, but mentally they're in the Victorian era. A lot of people are waking up to the fact that this present government are trying to establish an elected dictatorship, as Thatcher tried to do. I can tell you now that they will not achieve their objective. If you go onto Youtube and put "Brian Gerrish" into the search engine, one of his videos shows scenes from the demonstrations against austerity measures in Spain. In one clip, you see the police beating the crap out of ordinary civilians, but in another clip, you see the civilians turn on the police and advance on them in a very peaceful and non-violent manner. Watch the police officers, because it's pretty obvious they are absolutely crapping themselves. When a crowd behaves like that, you don't know what they are going to do and, believe me, it does change the colour of your underwear very quickly. The Collective Consciousness is undergoing a major change and there will be retribution against those who have tried to wreck the world.

[miliitant]

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elected dictatorship

That describes what we have very well in this country at the moment, even national media is gagged from reporting the true facts, or only reporting a watered down version.
What they are terrified of is the poll tax riots again or the mood that has swept across europe saying enough is enough. We must use the Human Rights Act to enforce our rights and responsabilities and challenge the goverment in everything they do for upholding democracy, freedom of thought and concience

[bluebottle]

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It's already happening, Miliitant. Even police officers are noticing things aren't right. They are noticing some of their colleagues' behaviour isn't normal. It is suspected they have been exposed to something called Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). They aren't the only ones. People in education, local government and government departments are suspected to have been exposed to NLP, which really screws their minds and makes them brutish, intolerant and lie through their teeth, believing what they are saying is the truth. Eventually, you start to suffer delusional behaviour, experience auditory and visual hallucinations and your mind literally tears itself apart and you suffer what is known as a Psychotic Episode.

[miliitant]

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Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). that is exactly what happened in germany during the thirties

which really screws their minds and makes them brutish, intolerant and lie through their teeth, believing what they are saying is the truth

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ~ Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda