Rlp and a police caution

[Mum77]

I've spend the morning reading all the other threads on RLP and most of their 'fine' were of £150 mine is £215 wouldn't RLP want to chase me for this amount as it's the highest I've cone across.

[des8]

Just ignore RLP.
You agreed to Debenham's civil* RECOVERY
The important word is recovery.
That implies loss
Debenham's lost nothing as the goods were recovered in a saleable condition, and staff were acting in the course of their employment.
RLP will not advise Debenhams to initiate court action to recover their imagined losses, as the last time they did that some years ago, they lost heavily in court.
You can read full details of that case here:*https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...h-and-the-lies

The amount RLP are trying to squeeze out of you doesn't matter. They are entitled to nothing, nor are Debenhams.
If they want you to pay a "civil recovery amount" they need to justify the amount.
They cannot just pluck a figure out of the air because you have agreed to a process... any amount must be just.

Don't try negotiating with RLP, all they will do is increase the pressure.
Just ignore them completely

[Mum77]

Thank you so much for your reply... you've put me at ease... so it dont pay RLP wont get in touch with the police and is this caustion picture o sent you is it normal to give that .. have you seen it before sorry about me going on I'm just trying to understand it all...as it's the first time I've ever done this and have been involved with the police so just understanding the procedure.... thank you again for your help*

[des8]

You have not been given a caution, but agreed to accept a Community Resolution Order, which is not uncommon.

This means that you accept that your actions were wrong, but it does not leave you with a criminal conviction.
It may be disclosed on an enhanced DBS check if it is considered pertinent.

In accepting the order you agreed to a 2 year ban from Debenhams and agreed not to commit theft ever again (as if you would not agree to that!).

You also agreed to "*Debhenams civil recovery".*
I suppose what they meant to say was that you would agree to pay any amount that Debenhams or their lackeys thought was fit.
Now that is ridiculous and unenforceable as it stands anyway.
Plus we know that it is not enforceable in civil courts.

RLP will not report to the police.
Since the Oxford case we have never heard of an instance where this sort of incident has gone to court, civil or magistrates

[Mum77]

Thank you for your reply... I will ignore the RLP letters...I just thought that because I've agreed to it I have no choice but to pay which I would have if they hadn't exaggerated the "fine" so much.. you're right they got their items back in good condition and the police were already in the store so none had to take time out to make the call or wait around for them...the staff were literally with me for 5 minutes shouting and being nasty and the police took over .... the police took a picture of me and they have my address they wouldn't cone knocking woukd they .... I think I can handle the stress of RLP letters but not the police ... as I've always been a good law abiding citizens*

[des8]

Don't worry about the police..... even if they come to your door they are polite and well mannered (usually*)

[Mum77]

Was that to scare me ... no need as I'm already so scared ... dont want a criminal record of any kind but I'll keep you posted about the letters when they arrive... I've heard they send out 4/5 then move you on to debt collectors... have you ever heard from people who have ignored RLP and came back and said thank you and that it's over?*

[des8]

Occasionally we hear from people who say they have gone three months or so without hearing anything, but then if nothing has happened there is nothing to report and it just seems to drop off.
More importantly we have* never had anybody come back and say "that advice you gave me was a lot of poo,!"

[Mum77]

[Mum77]

Another thing I wanted to ask was .. the police took a picture of me... what was that for? And when they say they'll share the data is that shared with everyone eg. The whole security team at the shopping centre? I've not spoke to anyone on this matter out of shame so I only have you to seek help from... thanking you once more for the help and kind words you have offered so far

[des8]

i suppose the police will keep the photo in their records to assist in identification if there is another incident.

Who said they would be sharing the data?
Obviously it will be on the police data base for law enforcement, and Debenhams might share it between their shops & with RLP, but that is as far as it should go.

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[Mum77]

I have another question (you can imagine I'm thinking about nothing else but this matter) if I don't pay (which I don't want to) do the police find out that I've not paid (like are the police alerted by debhenams security or the staff) and would they take further action? Like a criminal record...* I keep thinking I HAVE to pay as its a condition on the community resolution. But what I don't understand is why they've got such a high price £215 is alot for someone's who's give the stuff back in re-selable form and has admitted and said sorry !!!*

[des8]

The condition on the CRO is meaningless.

By accepting this Community Resolution, I agree to*Debhenam civil recovery.

It does not say what you must do other than agree. It does not require you to agree to pay an unspecified civil recovery charge**
It cannot be an agreement to pay recovery when nothing has been lost. (see the Oxford case as in post 17)
You cannot be in breach of a meaningless condition, and in any event I doubt this would be referred back to the police.

Civil recovery firms act as a private form of justice.
In the UK we have civil and criminal systems of justice.
Civil recovery is nothing other than private firms setting up as vigilantes, acting as judge and jury and setting out whatever they think they can squeeze from their victims.
As the Oxford case showed they should not have any part to play in the uk.
​Ignore them

[Mum77]

Hi again ... thank you for your reply ... as you already know I really appreciate your help... what would happen after 21 days are up and how long does this process take? For the letters to stop as I read and read all these threads and before you know it I've worked my self up to a panic attack .... which is what's happening now... honestly if it wasn't* so high I would have paid it but I cant afford the amount they've put forward .... I'll post you all the letters so will you please guide me to which ones to ignore and where to take action.* I feel at the whole situation*

[des8]

After 21 days nothing will happen; the sky will not fall in so there is no need to panic.
Eventually they will send you another letter, and then another and then.....
just ignore them all.

If you want to read them in advance you can do it here:**https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...rs-rlp-and-dwf