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    Hi

    Unfortunately I am in position where I now longer have confidence in my recently purchased second car or the ability for the garage to fix it. I have spoken to them directly and explained that I am rejecting the car on the grounds that I believe to unfit for purpose and unsafe. I have also followed this with a letter of intent including timeline below. The dealer has explained they have no intention of refunding and will see me in court. Would anybody be able to advise if my case is sound and or what additional steps I could take? Any help on this would be grateful excepted





    On 03/03/2018 I purchased, and took delivery of, the above vehicle Audi A7 from you. On 05/03/2018 I discovered that it was not of satisfactory quality: Smell of burning oil in the car cabin.



    Timeline:



    05/03/2018 – Spoke to seller advised I have a possible oil leak, seller advised maybe this was left over from a recent service – Customer agreed to see how it goes.



    12/03/2018 – Spoke to seller again customer advised smell of burning oil is present in cabin when stationary. Seller advised bringing it to garage to investigate.



    14/03/2018 Customer dropped car off at 09:00am. Customer drove car with mechanic who also confirmed smell was present in cabin. Mechanic said they had carried out an inspection on the ramp including removal of engine under trays. No oil leak or other leaks identified. Mechanic advised it could be the catalytic convertor and applied DPF cleaner to the fuel tank customer advised to see how it goes.



    15/03/2018 Customer called garage Spoke to sales again customer advised smell was worse, sales advised bringing the car back so they can get it on the ramp to investigate further. Earliest date agreed was 21/03/2018 09:00am



    21/03/2018 customer dropped car off 09:15am and collected 11:45am. Mechanic advised they had had car up on the ramp with engine under trays removed AGAIN and couldn’t find any oil leaks or other fluid leaks. Mechanic and sales explained that a new pollen filter had been added and an air conditioning bomb was administered to clean the air con unit. Customer advised once more to see how it goes.



    22/03/2018 Customer called garage and spoke with sales customer advised that journey to hospital with my son who attends regular oncology appointments in Nottingham (140-mile round trip) the smell was so bad that it made my 8 years son physically sick. It was at this point customer first suggested rejection of the car under The Consumer Rights Act 2015. This was met with hostilities on both sides but eventually customer agreed on a second opinion through an alternative garage provided by the seller. Seller advised they would talk to another specialist garage (ProTech) and would be in touch to confirm by the close of business 22/03/2018



    17:30pm Customer called Seller to chase up progress on talking with second garage.



    18:00pm ProTech called customer, Described the symptoms of what was happening with the car. 2nd mechanic Advised to call back following week and arrange an inspection.



    26/03/2018 Customer called Protech 2nd mechanic and arranged inspection for 28/03/2018 12:00pm



    28/03/2018 12:00pm Protech 2nd mechanic placed car on ramp, removed engine under trays and identified an oil leak within minutes which was also observed by customer. 2nd Mechanic advised that he hadn’t been sanctioned to do anything other than look at the car by the seller. 2nd Mechanic said it could be the oil cooler or perhaps the leak is further up in the engine bay (“starting at the oil cooler would be a good start”). 2nd Mechanic advised he would update the sellers mechanic and they should be in touch.



    28/03/2018 12:15 customer called sales and advised what 2nd mechanic had found on ramp with engine under trays off. Customer explained that I find it difficult to understand how it was missed twice by the sellers mechanic when it’s obvious that the oil leak is present.



    When advised what I do next, Sales explained that the sellers mechanic would call me once they had spoken to Protech 2nd mechanic at Protec.



    28/03/2018 17:30pm Customer phoned sales again for an update. Sales advised to book my car back in with their garage now their (sellers) mechanic has somewhere to start looking.



    29/03/2018 – Customer taking children to school, within 2 mins of leaving house, burnt oil smell so bad pulled had to pull over and exit vehicle.



    29/03/2018 09:20am Customer called sales and advised I would be rejecting the car under my 30 day rights as stipulated under The Consumer Rights Act 2015. This decision is based on the grounds that car is unfit for purpose and dangerous. I explained that they have 14 days to be reimburse me the full amount which will be followed with a letter of intent. In addition, the customer has advised the seller I would no longer be using the car and have provided photographic evidence to confirm mileage as of 29/03/2018 (please see additional document).



    The car is safe and secure and will remain on the customers private driveway until collected.



    The seller made it clear that they were unprepared to reimburse the full cost and would see me in court.



    Conclusion:



    Despite two attempts to identify and fix the problem by the local garage the car was referred for a second opinion which concluded the car had an oil leak. This in my opinion would account for the burning oil smell experienced by the mechanic on 14/03/2018 and reported multiple times to sales by myself. It is worth noting that although an oil leak was identified by the Protec engineer no definitive point of exit was identified and suggested the oil cooler at the bottom of the engine would be a good starting point.



    I have lost confidence in both the car and the ability for the garage to fix the problem.



    The Consumer Rights Act 2015 requires dealers to supply goods of satisfactory quality. However, the vehicle is clearly faulty. You are therefore in breach of contract.



    I am legally entitled to reject the vehicle and to be reimbursed for its full purchase price of £18379 I look forward to receiving your cheque for this sum within 14 days.



    If you fail to reimburse me I shall have no alternative but to issue a claim against you in the county court for recovery of the money in which case you will be liable for court costs and solicitors fees.





    Yours faithfully,



    Steven Ades






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  • #2
    Hadv a quick scan, but busy on other things at the mo@
    However , how did you pay for the vehicle: cash/credit card/HP?

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    • #3
      Hi, Thankyou for getting back to me. I part exchanged my old vehicle which I got £6000 for and paid the rest with my debit card. The money was secured by a loan through my bank HSBC .

      Regards

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      • #4
        How much was the total?

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        • #5
          Total £18379, £6000 part exchange and £12379 paid with card

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          • #6
            So it's not small claims court then. It looks as though you are going to have to formally issue a letter before claim to get the garage to take notice. The trade in adds complications to the matter,

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            • #7
              Thankyou for your time. I have already submitted a formal letter and delivered it in person to the seller (please see attached). The seller said they had no intention of reimbursing me and would see me in court if required. I have spoken to two other people that have been in similar situations with the same garage (facebook reviews linked to garage). One simple dropped the car off with the rejection letter. The garage paid up within the 14 days as requested. The second person had to go to court and the garage ignored all letters from solicitors, he won the case eventually. Obviously I would like to get this resolved swiftly and taking the first persons approach seems appealing but maybe a little risky? Any input on this would be gratefully received. As I said I have already issued the 14 day money back request on the grounds the car is unfit for purpose and dangerous. Is there anything else I can do in the mean time to bolster my position and demonstrate that I mean business?

              Kind regards

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              • #8
                sorry letter to big to upload.

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                • #9
                  The letter contains the time line in my first post and concludes with this:


                  Conclusion:

                  Despite two attempts to identify and fix the problem by the local garage the car was referred for a second opinion which concluded the car had an oil leak. This in my opinion would account for the burning oil smell experienced by the ***** Garage mechanic on 14/03/2018 and reported multiple times to sales by myself. It is worth noting that although an oil leak was identified by the Protec engineer no definitive point of exit was identified and suggested the oil cooler at the bottom of the engine would be a good starting point.

                  I have lost confidence in both the car and the ability for the garage to fix the problem.

                  The Consumer Rights Act 2015 requires dealers to supply goods of satisfactory quality. However, the vehicle is clearly faulty. You are therefore in breach of contract.

                  I am legally entitled to reject the vehicle and to be reimbursed for its full purchase price of £18379 I look forward to receiving your cheque for this sum within 14 days.

                  If you fail to reimburse me I shall have no alternative but to issue a claim against you in the county court for recovery of the money in which case you will be liable for court costs and solicitors fees.



                  Yours faithfully,

                  Steven Ades

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                  • #10
                    I think you may have problems with this rejection.

                    Because the claim will not be allocated to small claims, it is quite possible the company will employ a solicitor.
                    It is likely that the lawyer will point to:CRA 2015 Section 23 where it states:
                    "(6)A consumer who requires or agrees to the repair of goods cannot require the trader to replace them, or exercise the short-term right to reject, without giving the trader a reasonable time to repair them (unless giving the trader that time would cause significant inconvenience to the consumer)".

                    The argument will be that as you agreed to an investigation by a third party to trace the source of the smell, you implicitly agreed to a repair.
                    There was a similar case on here last year.

                    I think you should consider writing to the garage asking them to collect the car with a view to repair in accordance with CRA 2015 Section 23
                    " (2)If the consumer requires the trader to repair or replace the goods, the trader must—
                    (a)do so within a reasonable time and without significant inconvenience to the consumer, and
                    (b)bear any necessary costs incurred in doing so (including in particular the cost of any labour, materials or postage)."

                    If they refuse, or fail to repair you will have a much stronger case.
                    Just keep it all in writing.
                    If they phone make written notes of conversation, date & time and person(s) involved and the confirm in writing.

                    Crossed with your last lot of posts..
                    It does seem the garage gives up easily... care to name and shame? We may have come across them before.

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                    • #11
                      BCM (Braunstone Crossroads Motors)

                      1-3 Hinckley Road

                      Leicester Forest East, Leicester LE3 3GL

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                      • #12
                        Thankyou Des8 This is great advice. I have called the garage and they have agreed to have it repaired at the 2nd (competent garage) that found the problem. I did confirm on the phone this would be paid for by in full by the seller garage. I need to call them after the bank holiday to arrange a drop off time. How would this affect my initial rejection given it was under the 30 days? having agreed for the garage one last chance to fix my car this will now be over the 30 day rejection period.

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                        • #13
                          You will still be within the thirty day period as the clock stopped ticking when you first reported the problem and doesn't restart until the vehicle is returned "conforming to contract"

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                          • #14
                            I believe the regs state that the clock stops after you have first reported until resolved. Make a note of all the times and timings lest you forget.

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                            • #15
                              Thankyou ever so much for the information and guidance on this issue. I have one more question, I strongly suspect the seller will want me to drive the car to the garage approximately 50 miles from my address (This has been the standard stipulation requested by the seller on that previous appointments. What would be your advise on this as I have stated that the car is both dangerous and unfit for purpose (Would this compromise my rejection reason and go against if any further legal proceedings are required)?


                              Sorry so many question just need to be sure I'm making all the right moves with this

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