Penalties for trading without pedlars certificate

[HunterBargan]

Penalties for trading without pedlars certificate

Hi There
Yesterday I was trading in London and I was told be a police officer that I must cease trading pack up all my goods other wise the council and trading standards would be along to confiscate all my goods

Today I have looked on the internet and I can find no such thing!
The best I have found is the Pedlars act 1871 which mentions no such thing!
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...ntary-c5679551

The best I could find in that document was

4 No one to act as a pedlar without certificate.

No person shall act as a pedlar without such certificate as in this Act mentioned, or in any district where he is not authorized by his certificate so to act.

Any person who—

(1)acts as a pedlar without having obtained a certificate under this Act authorizing him so to act;

. . . F6

shall be liable for a first offence to a penalty not exceeding [F7 level 1 on the standard scale], and for any subsequent offence to a penalty not exceeding [F7level 1 on the standard scale] .


But I dont understand it! I do not understand what they mean by F7. Can anyone explain that one please?
Thanks

[echat11]

Hi HUNTERBARGAN

There's some info here - https://www.gov.uk/street-trading-licence

I've just picked Westminister at randon - https://www.westminster.gov.uk/licen...street-trading

[des8]

I think that copper was ignorant of the penalties, and just wanted to move you on.

Updated position is that in London trading on the street without a licence is an offence under the London Local Authorities Act 1990 (as amended).
From 1st December 2007, illegal street traders can receive fixed penalty notices as well as face prosecution in court. The table below shows the level of fines and offences which can be issued:

Contravention of condition of street trading licence or temporary licence	£100
Making false statement in connection with application for street trading licence or temporary licence	£125
Resisting or obstructing authorised officer	£250
Failure to produce street trading licence on demand	£100
Unlicensed street trading	£150

Fines levels are set out here:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk...maximum-fines/

[HunterBargan]

Hi HUNTERBARGAN

There's some info here - https://www.gov.uk/street-trading-licence

I've just picked Westminister at randon - https://www.westminster.gov.uk/licen...street-trading

Those links there refer to a street traders permit which is different then pedalling

[HunterBargan]

I think that copper was ignorant of the penalties, and just wanted to move you on.

Updated position is that in London trading on the street without a licence is an offence under the London Local Authorities Act 1990 (as amended).
From 1st December 2007, illegal street traders can receive fixed penalty notices as well as face prosecution in court. The table below shows the level of fines and offences which can be issued:

Contravention of condition of street trading licence or temporary licence	£100
Making false statement in connection with application for street trading licence or temporary licence	£125
Resisting or obstructing authorised officer	£250
Failure to produce street trading licence on demand	£100
Unlicensed street trading	£150

Fines levels are set out here:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk...maximum-fines/

So the likely hood is he was lieing!
Do you know if the police have power to confiscate the good by any chance?
And if one where given a fixed penalty notice on the spot. Can they stop you trading?
Thanks

[des8]

If they intend to prosecute I'm pretty sure they can confiscate your goods as evidence.

if you start racking up fixed Penalty Notices you will be prosecuted:

[echat11]

https://www.gov.uk/pedlars-certificate

[HunterBargan]

I have applied for my pedlers cirtificate and its now ready for me to pick up tomorow at the main police station in Manchester.

But I was and will be selling goods this weekend in London. Do you think they could stop me on the grounds that it is not valid in London?

[des8]

The licence is valid in London, but there are certain restrictions under The local London authorities Act 2004
https://pedlars.info/wp-content/uplo...amendment4.pdf

[HunterBargan]

The licence is valid in London, but there are certain restrictions under The local London authorities Act 2004
https://pedlars.info/wp-content/uplo...amendment4.pdf

Thanks!
So all that form is stating; areas off bound from pedalling

[HunterBargan]

I have applied for my pedlers cirtificate and its now ready for me to pick up tomorow at the main police station in Manchester.

But I was and will be selling goods this weekend in London. Do you think they could stop me on the grounds that it is not valid in London?

I was trading in and around Parliament square yesterday afternoon

One of the Whistle sellers (who dose not have a peddlers certificate like me) told me that trading with or with out a peddlers certificate is forbidden in the city of Westminster. He also said that over the years he has been trading on the streets of London that he has had stuff confiscated by the council because of this




His friend the other whistle seller told me that selling on the streets of Westminster is forbidden to!

I have googled this and found no such thing though

[des8]

City of Westminster fact sheet (http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docst...06-amended.pdf) confirms a pedlars right to trade.

I suspect you have seen this site: https://pedlars.info/pedlar-response...etation-issue/

[HunterBargan]

City of Westminster fact sheet (http://www3.westminster.gov.uk/docst...06-amended.pdf) confirms a pedlars right to trade.

But thats different!
Those guidelines are for Street Traders licences and permits where you purchase an annual fixed pitch on the street. A peeler can not have a pitch and must move on from sale to sale

[HunterBargan]

I suspect you have seen this site: https://pedlars.info/pedlar-response...etation-issue/

I dont really understand that article. But I do remember Brandon telling me it was a local bill only passed in 1996 or something




But I dont see anywhere in it which states trading is forbiden with a peelers certificate

[des8]

But thats different!
Those guidelines are for Street Traders licences and permits where you purchase an annual fixed pitch on the street. A peeler can not have a pitch and must move on from sale to sale

YEs, but it states "Pedlars trading from home to home who hold a pedlar’s certificate [are an exception]"
In other words those guidelines do not apply to pedlars