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  • FlamingParrot
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    I agree with Bernie above. :grin:

    Alcohol addiction is an illness just like, say, anorexia; both start as mental health issues but, unlike other MH conditions, these have very serious physical effects. Having said that, you have said yourself that you have been sober for three years, so you were not drunk at the time the shoplifting occurred. If you had been, that could be a mitigating circumstance from a criminal law perspective, however, being drunk in itself would also be grounds for dismissal even without stealing anything.

    At the end of the day, employers can easily dismiss people for a lot less than that actual stealing; showing off work you took part in whilst in their employ was regarded by one large corporation as 'theft' of intellectual property and even web browsing and posting online has been presented as gross misconduct for "stealing" employers' valuable time!

    While I can't see an employment tribunal claim succeeding in this case, nor a reinstatement being possible, I still think it may be possible to negotiate a neutral reference (i.e. just dates confirmed) if you put forward all your personal health issues. It won't cost either you or them anything nor can they be sued for telling just the plain truth, i.e. when you were employed by them. It was possible to use mitigating circumstances to convince a judge not to give a custodial sentence to someone who stole a few grand from their employers and to order just a suspended sentence and community service due that person's circumstances so there's no reason not to try it with HR. :thumb:

    If you are very ill then you should be looking into putting in a claim for ESA, using all your medical evidence to back it up. There is an initial 13 week assessment phase and you should claim as soon as possible because as with most claims, they cannot be backdated.

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  • Acjb007
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    I don't think I said being alcohol dependant is a disease! I said it was an illness. YES I picked up a bottle and poured vodka down my throat but is that normal behaviour or an illness. Doing it on an empty stomach at 7am and vomiting yet drinking more until I can normally function for the day and having to crawl around in pain as my legs were not working due to a toxic build up to me is an illness. I don't want sympathy just understanding.

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    Beeniethebolt: Thank you for your post!

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  • Berniethebolt
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    Alcohol in itself is not a disease however it causes physical and mental addiction so to me that qualifies it as a disease. In addition people do not on the whole go out one day and think, I know what I will become an alcoholic , it can be a series of events in your life that lead you down that path and before you realise what has happened you are hooked.
    Of course we all have free will but there are pressures on that free will and some of us are less able to cope than others
    An interesting article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715956/

    For the OP i really would not hold out hope of getting your job back , in any event being so ill, is working a realistic prospect . Talk to your GP , talk to a benefits advisor (not a DWP one) and get some ongoing support for your illnesses

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  • Mr $quandaŁot
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    Agree with the post 65.

    You are going around in circles, trying to rationalise - even justify - your actions.

    By the sound of it, a neutral reference is not on offer and, to be honest, I don't think that your former employer is in the wrong by not providing it.

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  • MIKE770
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    go forward - the past is the past, sorry we have to-day problems peeps have which are serious and time better spent there!

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  • wales01man
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    I cannot see where you are going with this? The chances of getting the job back are probably zero you say you were near to death 3 years ago but you are still here do you expect the manager to be a trained Doctor who can diaganose you then unlikely.
    Drink has put you in this position now is the time to concentrate on sorting yourself out not trying to find excuses the best you can hope for is a neutral reference and get another job .
    Disagree Drink is a Disease strange that how many other diseases do you buy by the bottle??????

    Get this behind you before the stress forces you back to the bottle .

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  • Acjb007
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    When I was in hospital my manager at the time visited me. He knew I was close to death.

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  • FlamingParrot
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    Originally posted by Acjb007 View Post
    They knew I was in hospital but that was 3 years ago. The people manager said she knew when I told her. Not sure who told her.
    There's quite a difference between merely being in hospital and having a potentially life-threatening condition. You can be in hospital for a variety of reasons which may or may not be serious.

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  • Acjb007
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    They knew I was in hospital but that was 3 years ago. The people manager said she knew when I told her. Not sure who told her.

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  • FlamingParrot
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    Originally posted by Acjb007 View Post
    I thought I mentioned I have stage 1 liver disease with chronic cirrhosis. It's a silent but deadly disease where at some point my liver will shut down. My best hope is a transplant but that is a very long process and if I have one I'll be very ill for months and on medication for the rest of my life. I have scans every 6 months to check for tumors and that there is no internal bleeding. It's all my fault due to drinking but being alcohol dependant is classed as an illness.y last scan showed my liver is in a very poor state. Does this help me with being dismissed or work providing a reference?
    I'm afraid these are issues of a moral/ethical nature rather than legal. Were your employers aware of all this?

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  • Acjb007
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    Oops just re read my symptoms and I'm stage 4 not 1. There is no stage 5.

    Stage 4: cirrhosis

    This is the most severe stage, where bands of scar tissue and clumps of liver cells develop. The liver shrinks and becomes lumpy*(known as cirrhosis).

    Cirrhosis*tends to occur after the age of 50-60, following many years of liver inflammation associated with the early stages of the disease. However, this can happen much earlier in some people.

    People who have*type 2 diabetes*are at the greatest risk of developing cirrhosis of the liver caused by NAFLD.

    The damage caused by cirrhosis is permanent and can't be reversed. Cirrhosis progresses slowly, over many years, gradually causing your liver to stop functioning. NAFLD can also lead to primary*liver cancer*(hepatocellular carcinoma). This is what is known as liver failure. Learn more about*cirrhosis of the liver, including the warning signs.

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  • Acjb007
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    My one redeeming feature is I've remained sober for 3 years this Wednesday. Something I'm very proud of considering I used to drink every day for around 5 years. I have had therapy but life is a struggle.

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  • Acjb007
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    I thought I mentioned I have stage 1 liver disease with chronic cirrhosis. It's a silent but deadly disease where at some point my liver will shut down. My best hope is a transplant but that is a very long process and if I have one I'll be very ill for months and on medication for the rest of my life. I have scans every 6 months to check for tumors and that there is no internal bleeding. It's all my fault due to drinking but being alcohol dependant is classed as an illness.y last scan showed my liver is in a very poor state. Does this help me with being dismissed or work providing a reference?

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  • Berniethebolt
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    Originally posted by MIKE770 View Post
    terminal illness??? not mentioned before?
    The poster has just said they do not have a huge amount of time left on earth , I am afraid of what that may mean

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  • MIKE770
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    terminal illness??? not mentioned before?

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