• Welcome to the LegalBeagles Consumer and Legal Forum.
    Please Register to get the most out of the forum. Registration is free and only needs a username and email address.
    REGISTER
    Please do not post your full name, reference numbers or any identifiable details on the forum.

Solicitor advising against disclaimer — is this advice correct?

Collapse
Loading...
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Solicitor advising against disclaimer — is this advice correct?

    I am a beneficiary of my late brother's will, entitled to a significant percentage of the residuary estate — approximately £425,000. I am 73, rent from the council, have no property and limited savings. I currently receive a small amount of housing benefit which I have no desire to continue claiming regardless of the outcome of this matter.

    I do not want this inheritance and would prefer it passes to my son. The will contains the following relevant clauses:

    *Clause 5.3.1: 75% to my sister (my full name), but if this gift fails then to my nephew (my son's full name), provided always that should he die before obtaining a vested interest but leaving a child or children then said child or children shall take the share which he, she or their parent would otherwise have inherited.*

    *Clause 5.4: If any gift of my Residuary Estate shall lapse or fail then such gift shall accrue to the other gift or gifts which have not lapsed or failed in the proportions which they bear to one another so that no gift of my Residuary Estate shall be undisposed of by this subclause.*

    My solicitor has advised strongly against both a disclaimer and a deed of variation. Her email stated the following:

    *"There is no advantage to be gained by doing so. One of the main uses of a Deed of Variation or Disclaimer is to reduce inheritance tax on the estate of the original beneficiary. However, from what you have told me, there will be no inheritance tax to pay on the estates of you/your husband when you die.*

    *A Deed of Variation or Disclaimer would not change the fact that you are inheriting a large sum from your brother's estate and therefore, whether you actually receive the money, or pass it straight to your son, you will still be obliged to notify this to the Local Authority and DWP, which will impact your benefits. If you do not notify the Local Authority and DWP and they discover what you have done, they may seek repayment of benefits, charge penalties, apply the capital you have gifted back into your means assessment and you could even be criminally prosecuted. Additionally, if you need care in future and the Local Authority discovers that you gifted large sums, they may add the capital you have gifted back into your means assessment and decline to help you, and they could seek to recover the money from your son via the County Court.*

    *My advice therefore is to accept the inheritance, inform the DWP and Local Authority, and only make small (if any) gifts of capital to your son."*

    I have a number of specific questions about this advice:

    **Question 1 — Will wording**
    On a plain reading of clauses 5.3.1 and 5.4, if I execute a valid disclaimer would my share pass to my son, or would clause 5.4 override the specific substitution in 5.3.1 and accrue proportionally to the other beneficiaries?

    **Question 2 — IHT exposure**
    My husband and I have no property and therefore no access to the residence nil rate band. My solicitor states there will be no inheritance tax to pay on our estates when we die. However I would like to understand the position more clearly. If I accept the inheritance and make a will leaving it directly to my son, only my own nil rate band of £325,000 would be available on my death — my husband's transferable nil rate band would only apply if he predeceased me and had not used his own. £425,000 invested and grown over potentially 10-20 years could therefore significantly exceed the £325,000 threshold available to me, resulting in a substantial IHT liability. Is my solicitor correct to state there is no IHT advantage to disclaiming, given this specific scenario?

    **Question 3 — Disclosure obligation after disclaimer**
    My solicitor states I am obliged to notify the Local Authority and DWP regardless of whether I disclaim or accept. However my understanding is that a disclaimer is retroactive — I never legally received anything, my financial position hasn't changed, and therefore there is no change of circumstances to declare for benefits purposes. I intend to cancel my benefits regardless as I have no desire to continue claiming them. However I would like clarity on whether disclosure of the disclaimer itself is actually legally required, as my solicitor's email implies it is mandatory. Is this correct?

    **Question 4 — Deliberate deprivation**
    My solicitor appears to treat a disclaimer as equivalent to a gift for deliberate deprivation purposes. My understanding is that the deliberate deprivation rules under the Care Act 2014 require the local authority to be satisfied that avoiding care costs was a significant purpose of the disposal. I have no current care needs, I am genuinely disclaiming money I never wanted, and the will itself named my son as substitute beneficiary. Is a disclaimer in these specific circumstances genuinely vulnerable to a successful deliberate deprivation challenge?

    **Question 5 — Prosecution risk**
    My solicitor warned me I could be criminally prosecuted. My understanding is that prosecution risk relates solely to benefits fraud through non-disclosure of a change in financial circumstances. However since a disclaimer produces no change in financial circumstances there is arguably no disclosure obligation in the first place. Furthermore I intend to cancel my benefits regardless as I have no wish to continue claiming them. Given that I will not be claiming any benefits after the disclaimer is executed, on what basis could any prosecution realistically arise?

    **Question 6 — Disclaimer versus gift**
    My solicitor's email appears to conflate a disclaimer with a gift, applying the same consequences to both. Are these not fundamentally different legal acts, and does treating them identically represent a material error in the advice given?

    Any views from legally qualified contributors would be very much appreciated. I am considering seeking a formal second opinion but would welcome a sense check on these specific points first.

    ---
    Tags: None

  • #2
    You should ask the solicitor those questions. He/she knows much more about the situation and your circumstances.

    You would be unwise to prefer advice given by strangers online who only have the limited information you have given, and who, unlike your solicitor, are not insured.
    Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

    Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

    https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

    Comment


    • #3
      Cuningtons LLP have published an online article titled
      "Deed of Variation: Your Questions Answered"

      According to this firm of lawyers, a deed of variation to a will if executed correctly circumvents the 7 year IHT rule for gifts.

      Comment


      • #4
        Just to add - I think you should seek a second opinion from a solicitor who specialises in Private Client/Wills work.
        Lawyer (solicitor) - retired from practice, now supervising solicitor in a university law clinic. I do not advise by private message.

        Guides and handbooks for Litigants in Person - :

        https://legalbeagles.info/forums/for...60#post1701560

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by atticus View Post
          You should ask the solicitor those questions. He/she knows much more about the situation and your circumstances.

          You would be unwise to prefer advice given by strangers online who only have the limited information you have given, and who, unlike your solicitor, are not insured.
          Thank you for the suggestion. However my solicitor has given advice on this matter which I believe may contain errors on several specific legal points. Rather than going back to the same solicitor before understanding whether those concerns are valid, I am seeking a preliminary sense check here before deciding whether to seek a formal second opinion. Any views on the substance of the questions would be genuinely appreciated

          Comment

          View our Terms and Conditions

          LegalBeagles Group uses cookies to enhance your browsing experience and to create a secure and effective website. By using this website, you are consenting to such use.To find out more and learn how to manage cookies please read our Cookie and Privacy Policy.

          If you would like to opt in, or out, of receiving news and marketing from LegalBeagles Group Ltd you can amend your settings at any time here.


          If you would like to cancel your registration please Contact Us. We will delete your user details on request, however, any previously posted user content will remain on the site with your username removed and 'Guest' inserted.
          Working...
          X