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Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

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  • Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

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    The Public Accounts Committee examines whether adults with learning disabilities are getting the support they need to live in the community.


    http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...vidence-16-17/
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    Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

    https://www.agincare.com/home-care-p...ing-disability

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      Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

      The problem with the term learning disabilities as used by most people is that it covers such a wide range of disabilities and differences. IMO because of this it is open for interpretation and quite easy for the state to move towards increasing the threshold for help I.e lowering the eligibility.

      I realise using a catch all term can help to remove the stigma associated with learning differences/disabilities and is a good thing, the problem is people who judge the needs can use it as a cover all , for example no two people on the autism spectrum need the same level of support

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      • #4
        Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

        Originally posted by enaid View Post
        Watch the debate live

        The Public Accounts Committee examines whether adults with learning disabilities are getting the support they need to live in the community.


        http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...vidence-16-17/
        Perhaps we need to ask two simple questions:
        1. What do they contribute to society?
        2. Are their contributions cost effect?

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        • #5
          Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

          Originally posted by Spirit200 View Post
          Perhaps we need to ask two simple questions:
          1. What do they contribute to society?
          2. Are their contributions cost effect?

          Who are 'they'?

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            Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

            Originally posted by warwick65 View Post
            The problem with the term learning disabilities as used by most people is that it covers such a wide range of disabilities and differences. IMO because of this it is open for interpretation and quite easy for the state to move towards increasing the threshold for help I.e lowering the eligibility.

            I realise using a catch all term can help to remove the stigma associated with learning differences/disabilities and is a good thing, the problem is people who judge the needs can use it as a cover all , for example no two people on the autism spectrum need the same level of support
            The term "the state" actually means all of us, we all hopefully pay our taxes, dues to society.

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              Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

              Originally posted by EXC View Post
              Who are 'they'?
              I thought it was obvious,those are those who contribute, the "givers" rather than the takers

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                Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                Originally posted by Spirit200 View Post
                I thought it was obvious,those are those who contribute, the "givers" rather than the takers
                People with learning disabilities aren't 'takers'.

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                  Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                  Labelling any person properly in receipt of benefits, (whether pensioner, disabled or just unemployed etc) as "taker" is unacceptable.
                  Also remember that those in that situation pay more back proportionally in taxes from their meagre income than those in reasonably paid employment, so they are also "givers"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                    Takes as they as called by Spirit200 most were givers giving into a system there to protect them when for many reasons they are no longer givers. To easy for those who have no need for benefits in any form to call others in need takers or scroungers not always the case for most

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                    • #11
                      Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                      Ignorance is bliss for some is all I'll say.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                        Originally posted by wales01man View Post
                        Takes as they as called by Spirit200 most were givers giving into a system there to protect them when for many reasons they are no longer givers. To easy for those who have no need for benefits in any form to call others in need takers or scroungers not always the case for most
                        Indeed and it's not just that but people with learning disabilities in particular don't ask for anything. Any support that they receive is either because society willingly provides it or that the law requires it.

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                          Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                          Originally posted by EXC View Post
                          Indeed and it's not just that but people with learning disabilities in particular don't ask for anything. Any support that they receive is either because society willingly provides it or that the law requires it.
                          With all due respect, doesn't the above comment just add to societies view of learning disabilities and exacerbates the stigma many already face.
                          Many people are perfectly able to ask, even demand the help they are entitled to.

                          Sadly many do not receive the help the law demands and many parts of society (wrongly) question their rights to receive help.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                            Originally posted by warwick65 View Post
                            With all due respect, doesn't the above comment just add to societies view of learning disabilities and exacerbates the stigma many already face.
                            Many people are perfectly able to ask, even demand the help they are entitled to.
                            You've misunderstood, I'm not saying they are unable to ask (even though many are), rather that they don't.

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                              Re: Do people with learning disabilities get the care they need?

                              Originally posted by Spirit200 View Post
                              Perhaps we need to ask two simple questions:
                              1. What do they contribute to society?
                              2. Are their contributions cost effect?

                              I am confused as to the question.

                              I have a learning disability, I work full time in a respite centre working with adults with an LD so I a kinda hoping that my "contribution" is "cost effective!"

                              With regards to what do "they" contribute to society, I am assuming that you have never once taken the time to spend with someone with a severe disabilty? Whilst a person with this sort of issue cannot work in an office, teach a class of children, be a fireman.. they CAN do incredible things.

                              Have you ever sat and watched someone labelled as "Them" baking a cake? Or completing a jigsaw puzzle? That determination and positivity many able bodied people lack.

                              Have you ever walked past someone with such severe autism they refuse to make eye contact and have them reach out and take your hand? Or have someone non verbal try their utmost to say your name?

                              I would suggest that before asking questions such as "are THEY cost effective?" you do a few hours volunteering at a care home/respite centre and feel the incredible rush when something like this happens... then ask me if I am cost effective.
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