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    Hello Mystery 1
    Have tried copying and editing the documents.
    Thank you for your advice and have done the AOS twice, as the PCN's were identical except for the dates within 2 weeks of each other I only uploaded one Claim form etc. I never received a letter before claim so don't know why.
    As the PCN's were in November 2011 and I definitely was not the driver at that time on both occasions I am not sure what my defence is and have looked at the threads as you say but don't know where to start and what happens next and how long have I got?
    So many questions and feel that this is all too much and a bit beyond me.
    Please advise on next step.
    Thanks again.
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    Hello have uploaded the files for you hope i have done it right.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystery1 View Post
    Ok, you should have 33 days from the date on the claim form to file a defence.

    Need some details now. Do you have the pcn, signs, claim form etc ? Need to see what you have so sanitise and let me see them.

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    Hello Mystery not sure if my posts are getting to you but waiting for your reply on the attachments i uploaded for you.
    Thanks again.

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    Default Re: PCN October 2011

    Edit to suit.

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    Thanks Mystery but it says cannot open file so what do i do now please?

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    If you email @Kati perhaps she could kindly email it to you. It should open without issue ?

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    Default Re: PCN October 2011

    try one of these instead (although I'd happily email it to you too ) xx
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    Hello Mystery i managed to open the file ok so are all those points suitable for my case? and as i have 2 obviously i have to write another one and does it matter if it's the same format? It's just different dates but both before 2012.
    Is that letter enough for me to send or should i mention the 'attempted double recovery' by Excel as someone pointed out? I really don't know what i am doing, whether i have to send it through the MCOL start defence tab or email or post, as i was not the driver on either date i feel there is not much to say really.
    How much time have i got left?
    Thank you again ��

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    are all those points suitable for my case?
    I believe so.

    as i have 2 obviously i have to write another one and does it matter if it's the same format
    Shouldn't.

    Is that letter enough for me to send or should i mention the 'attempted double recovery' by Excel as someone pointed out?
    It shouldn't matter but you can add that as number 7 and move the number 7 i have to number 8.

    I really don't know what i am doing, whether i have to send it through the MCOL start defence tab or email or post, as i was not the driver on either date i feel there is not much to say really.
    I'd email it. The witness statement will be where you make the "i wasn't the driver" case (the court will need you to say why you know this, probably). We have defended as such so it's simply a case of getting the court to believe you weren't and the job is done.

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    Thanks M
    When i send this document and it goes in an email does it have to be sent as a pdf file? and regarding the format does it have to be typed out as if it just left the solicitors office eg. double line spacing and headings and bullet points etc as pointed out on other sites? or can it be sent in letter form as per your example?
    (sorry for being so dull just a Granny here not a Legal Secretary )
    Thanks

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    I can't remember but i think the RTF format that it is in is ok. Phone the court and ask for clarification, the email address and also what information goes in the subject line of the email.

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    Default Re: PCN October 2011

    I prefer not to send anything in a format that can be easily modified or corrupted, I send in PDF. There are several free PDF printers available. I have been using Bullzip PDF for quite some time until I upgraded to Windows 10 which includes a PDF printer as standard. Select the PDF printer as your printer and a PDF file is created.

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    Thank you both Ostell and Mystery but didn't realise there was so much to all this i thought i would just have to write a defence perhaps appear in court and that was it!!
    If the defence is sent in an email do you get some sort of confirmation they have received it as emails are known to go missing and where you mentioned Ostell on the other forum about a 'bundle' you prepared well i don't know what bundle i would have as you can see by the file i am to more or less copy that Mystery has uploaded for me to edit to suit it's not much and to be honest i don't have a lot to say as i wasn't the driver and they have no proof of that on either occasion.
    As well as sending the defence in an email i have to have print outs as well for myself and the courts too?
    I have been familiarising myself with the procedure of what happens next and so on but didn't think there was no much to do.

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    You should get an email confirming receipt.

    Your bundle will contain your defence, witness statement, any pictures etc You only NEED 1 but it's best practice to have 3.

    Your defence that you weren't driving relies upon you being believed about not being driver. It's not a complicated case, hence there isn't much. The burden of proof is the claimants so when you denied being driver they instantly had an issue as it is hardly ever the case they can prove otherwise even if it wasn't in fact the case (but that would be a bad spot to be in if anyone was ever caught in that lie).

    Next step will be a directions questionnaire which is essentially to allocate to small claims track and your local court. Pretty straight forward.

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    Default Re: PCN October 2011

    Thank you M again but why would i need a picture as if i wasn't the driver and someone had borrowed car then why would i need a picture and of what?

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    Well if, at the time, you were on board a luxury cruise ship and took time stamped photos you could have used them to prove you weren't driving, for example.

    It's not a mandatory requirement to have pictures.

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    Hello Mystery
    Just wanted to ask if someone borrowed my car and i was not present then the paragraph below on the example you uploaded for me, well do I still need to leave that in? Is that part relevant to my case?

    6. The claimant is put to strict proof that legible signs made any parking terms clear to a normal person. Excel v Cutts shows this was not a standard tactic for the claimant around this time. Parking Eye v Beavis confirms they must be clear and concise.

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    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystery1 View Post
    I believe so.



    Shouldn't.



    It shouldn't matter but you can add that as number 7 and move the number 7 i have to number 8.



    I'd email it. The witness statement will be where you make the "i wasn't the driver" case (the court will need you to say why you know this, probably). We have defended as such so it's simply a case of getting the court to believe you weren't and the job is done.

    M1
    Hi Mystery
    When does the Witness Statement go in? Will upload the defence tomorrow have had problems with the pdf programme but sorted now.
    Thanks

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    Months away. Usually about 2/3 weeks before trial.

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    Hi M 1
    Just phoned the court to ask about type of format and email address as advised ready to send my defence and the help desk person told me it's all done online now so i explained that i was told to type out my defence in the correct format eg. Times new Roman font size 12 double line spacing etc and she laughed and said who told you that? that's rather old fashioned now you have to fill in the defence form which was sent with your claim form or i can email it to you which she has just done so what's all this about now?

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    Sometimes the operators who answer the phone are just utterly clueless.

    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/em...idance#canfile

    If in doubt phone them back, you might get a different one that actually knows what they are talking about.

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    Well even that link looks complicated so i think i will just print out the defence and send it by registered post i think would be easier so any particular way this has to be sent like perfectly flat no folding and in a business type brown envelope?

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    Don't think so. Court papers come folded so they'd have a hard neck saying don't do it.

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    Mystery will you have a look at this please and tell me if is ok I have been ages trying to sort out a pdf programme that's why I have been ages doing it.
    is it ok to send through the post I would rather send it I think rather than email as I am not sure about the instructions regarding how I should send it.
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