Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 28

Thread: IMF - PCN

  • Share
  • Thread Tools
  • Display
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default IMF - PCN

    Hi @mystery1
    Hope you're well. You helped me out a while ago. I have had another parking ticket (PCN). This time the driver parked in a disabled space as there were no spaces yet there were lots of disabled spaces free.
    Do you think I have a leg to stand on?
    I was thinking about using similar arguments as before i.e. The charge is a penalty, 2. Unfair charges, 3. Locus Standi

    What do you think?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Since Beavis the game has changed.

    http://legalbeagles.info/forums/show...land-and-Wales

    Posting up a sanitised copy of the pcn would help.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Many thanks @mystery1
    Here is a copy of the PCN. I know I was probably wrong to park in disabled but as I say there were others parked on yellow lines etc
    I need to appeal in the 1st instance by the 23rd Nov
    Thanks
    Attached Files Attached Files

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    So an IPC member who use theias.org for appeals . Low chance of winning on appeal with these shysters. I wouldn't appeal a notice to driver though. I'd wait for the notice to keeper as it'll probably be flawed. (takes between 28&56 days)

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Sorry I am not with you?
    So you wouldn't suggest I appeal at all?
    Wait for the notice to keeper? Are you suggesting ignore this notice until they contact me again?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    I would appeal, eventually. I would wait for a postal notice first though, then appeal as keeper.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Ok many thanks. So I will ignore it until I hear from the DVLA?
    It mentions further costs may be incurred if full payment not received within 28 days. Is that the case usually? What are those costs? Any idea?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Not the DVLA, UKPP. When they get no response to the ticket on the windscreeen (notice to driver) they request the keepers details from DVLA and send a notice, by post, to the keeper. That's when it's best to appeal.

    Costs are just a number. It goes up with every threat and then when they get nothing they make an offer of a discount to make the weak think they are getting a bargain. Only a court can order costs. Currently losing court claims cost about £200 all in.

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Pa...ol_Office.html So far they don't do court.


    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Thanks for clarifying.
    Do you think it will be hard to get off this one or do the appeals sometimes work? Will I end up having to pay something then do you think? I only ask as you said earlier that there is a low chance of winning on appeal. What will my best outcome be?

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Best outcome is to win on appeal.

    Most likely best outcome is for it to be ignored (after appeals) and the statute of limitations to kick in after 6 years and a few scary letters.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Hi @mystery1
    I have now had a follow up letter form them regarding this. I have scanned it in & attached it. What do you suggest we do with this? Do they have a legot case here? Any chance of us appealing this? Whats the best course of action do you think?
    Thanks alot
    Attachments Pending Approval Attachments Pending Approval

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    As yet they haven't done court. http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Pa...ol_Office.html

    I would appeal on the off chance you can win.

    http://legalbeagles.info/forums/show...530#post636530

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Many thanks. I will appeal. Before I do, can you confirm, I should use this simple appeal template on this link you shared?
    http://legalbeagles.info/forums/show...530#post636530
    Also is it worth noting there were other cars parked on double yellows &on grass verges in the car park with no tickets - I did take photos.
    Or just use the appeal & add the driver saw no signs?
    Thanks

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Whatever, as long as you don't name or indicate who was driving.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Hi @mystery1
    Hope you're well.
    I have now had a response from this. I did appeal as you suggested, I have not heard anything of the appeal but have now received the attached letter in the post from a debt recovery company.

    What would you suggest is the next step?

    Thanks
    Attached Files Attached Files

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Hi @mystery1
    Have you had a chance to take a look at this at all? What would you suggest? I heard nothing of my appeal, just a leter from this debt collection company. Thanks

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    How did you appeal (did you keep proof?) ?

    Chase the company who you appealed too then write to DRP and advise that an appeal is outstanding and they shouldn't be writing to you until it is decided.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Quote Originally Posted by mystery1 View Post
    How did you appeal (did you keep proof?) ?

    Chase the company who you appealed too then write to DRP and advise that an appeal is outstanding and they shouldn't be writing to you until it is decided.

    M1
    Ok, I appealed to the UK Parking Patrol Office, the company who wrote to me. I appealed via the post (sent them a letter) using the templatre you suggested in the above thread & I also appealed via their online form, again I cut & pasted the same appeal using the suggested template.

    I have just looked through hmy emails and in my junk folder was an email from them in December, here is their email:

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    Thank you for your communication regarding the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN).
    As you have nominated yourself as the Registered Keeper I am willing to advise you that the time in which to submit a challenge has now expired and access to the Independent Appeals Service is no longer available.
    However, in order to resolve the matter, I will offer the following comments as to why this PCN was correctly issued and is still payable:
    The site in question is subject to terms and conditions, which are stated on signs throughout the area. Those signs clearly state: “Parking Is Restricted To Vehicles Displaying A Valid Disabled Badge Only”.
    On 09/11/2016 the vehicle was observed parked without the appropriate blue badge.
    Kind regards
    Admin Dept
    UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd

    So, my mistake they had responded. What would you suggest now? You sent me a previous link stating they have not gone to court so far: As yet they haven't done court. http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Pa...ol_Office.html
    Would you risk it?
    What would the end outcome be if it goes to court?

    Thanks

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Would you risk it?
    I would yes. Make sure you file everything just in case though. 6 years is a long time for it to become statute barred.

    What would the end outcome be if it goes to court?
    Max cost about £250 or they pay you for a day off work.

    Keep up to date with cases http://www.parking-prankster.com/case-law.html 1 being the oldest and 38 newest.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Many thanks again. So what would you suggest on this latest letter? Just ignore it?
    And keep ignoring the letters or reply?

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    10,846
    Mentioned
    783 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    That's what i'd do, ignore and file and hope they pass the 6 time limit passes without court papers.

    M1
    ********************************Signature********* ************************

    Private messages are off as all help on this site is on board.

    Please note i am now pretty much without access/time to help 5 days a week. Others will hopefully help you.


    I can only help with what you tell me. Post up information (other than names and addresses!).

    I NEVER enter any appeals or court documentation on your behalf. This is your responsibility.

    Upload images to your thread like this .Email kati@legalbeagles.info if you can't upload images/documents. She doesn't own a crystal ball as far as i'm aware so link to your thread or tell her how to find it !

    If you want to tell someone YOU were driving, go to confession.

    I,I,I,I,I,I should be avoided unless you are Jim Diamond.

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Hi @mystery1
    I have an update for you on this case/issue. I have received a number of letters from DRP over the months, all asking for payment with the payment increasing and also suggesting court action although it only seems a theat. Today I have received a letter from Zenith Collections. I have looked into it and they seem to be the same company. Have you come across them? They are now reducing the amount back to the original of £59.99 rather than the £159.99 they were demanding. They are saying if payment not received they will pass to their legal dept.
    I assume they are using the Zenith name to confuse and worry me.
    My plan is to ignore again.. Have you come across Zenith? Have you actually seen any of these go to court? As I said they look like theyre the same company but using a different name to worry me :-)I have attached the 2 recent letters for your info
    Attached Files Attached Files

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    10,284
    Mentioned
    985 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Zenith = DRP = Parking Collection Services from what I can make out ... ALL the same outfit, just different desks
    https://bmpa.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...th-Collections
    Debt Recovery Plus Ltd also t/as Parking Collection Services & Zenith Collections


    BMPA Support DeskLast Tuesday at 1:41 PM

    Follow

    The most frequently named "debt" collector - also trades as Zenith Collections. Sends out letters with increasing amounts then tries for a payment by "discounting" later. Since "debt" collectors can do nothing, essentially just time wasters. There are a variety of different letters all with the same aim - to get you to part with money irrespective of whether it is owed (unlikely) or not (more likely).
    Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

    It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

    recte agens confido

    ~~~~~

    Any advice I provide is given without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

    I can be emailed if you need my help loading pictures/documents to your thread. My email address is kati@legalbeagles.info
    But please include a link to your thread so I know who you are.

    Specialist advice can be sought via our sister site http://lbcompare.co.uk

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    32
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    That's what I thought. Very interesting. Interesting way of trying to get payment too.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    10,284
    Mentioned
    985 Post(s)

    Default Re: IMF - PCN

    Quote Originally Posted by imf View Post
    That's what I thought. Very interesting. Interesting way of trying to get payment too.
    I'm sure you can look forward to more hamster bedding xx
    Debt is like any other trap, easy enough to get into, but hard enough to get out of.

    It doesn't matter where your journey begins, so long as you begin it...

    recte agens confido

    ~~~~~

    Any advice I provide is given without liability, if you are unsure please seek professional legal guidance.

    I can be emailed if you need my help loading pictures/documents to your thread. My email address is kati@legalbeagles.info
    But please include a link to your thread so I know who you are.

    Specialist advice can be sought via our sister site http://lbcompare.co.uk

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Contact Us



© Celame (UK) Ltd 2016
Hosted by Lodge Information Services Ltd
LegalBeagles® are DPA Registered No. ZA158014
LegalBeagles® is the trading name of CELAME (UK) LIMITED ( 09220332 )
Registered Address: 25 Moorgate, London, England, EC2R 6AY
VAT registration number 206 9740 02
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.3 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Celame (UK) Ltd Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3
Copyright © 2017 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.
TOP