Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

[leclerc]

Discuss........

[Amethyst]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

Light blue touch paper......

[Amethyst]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

I think your question is wrong - Maybe more.... Should a major football club employ a convicted (time served) rapist to play Football for them ?

[pt2537]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

His case is being considered for appeal so the difficulty as i see it is while he has been found guilty, that conviction could be overturned on appeal, so perhaps its best to wait til the end of the road to pass judgment on whether he should or shouldnt.

However, what are his options, if he doesnt work then the state supports him which means the tax payers pay his living, why shouldnt he be able to work to earn a living? hes served time afterall.

[wales01man]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

I think public opinion will win end the end whether it is right or wrong for him to earn a living does not really matter to many

[leclerc]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

I think your question is wrong - Maybe more.... Should a major football club employ a convicted (time served) rapist to play Football for them ?

...who has never expressed remorse for his alleged victim.....

In response to PT, I agree with you but if he is found to have been fairly convicted then his lack of remorse is then more of an issue....

Other footballers have at least expressed remorse for their crimes....

[wales01man]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

To be fair of the legal system is allowing an appeal and this means he may be innocent showing remorse may be admitting the offence? Maybe his Solicitor could word a statement on his behalf
We have a legal system that has processes that everyone has a right to so until this case ends its a very difficult situation .

I think he should until this ends either way lay low I think the club is wrong as is the Media for dwelling on this

[leclerc]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

It has not allowed his appeal. It is looking into whether or not there is evidence of a miscarriage of justice which would then lead to a referral to the courts

[wales01man]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

I stand corrected there may still be an appeal although it seems a long time since conviction to try for one.
If he was not a "celebrity" doubtful we would be hearing about him

[leclerc]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

I stand corrected there may still be an appeal although it seems a long time since conviction to try for one.
If he was not a "celebrity" doubtful we would be hearing about him

Oh no you don't. A rarity for me, but I am corrected albeit the appeal relates to the issue of good character.
http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/press...ourt-of-appeal

Having read that, then clearly the issue is not whether he did it but whether the jury might have considered that because of his good character that he might not have done it.....

Weird, imho.

EDIT: wrong case :o

[mystery1]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

What would you like him to do now he has served his time ?

Are there professions which you think are appropriate for ex convicts ? Would he be ok to play non league ?

Would you prefer he died ?

If you think the justice system was lenient that's not his fault. If Sheffield United are wrong to take him that's fine but this campaign to harass and harangue borders on vigilante justice which doesn't work too well http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...pher-jefferies

M1

[Amethyst]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

Many footballers are to$$ers and have done some pretty shoddy things.

If he is good at playing football and Sheffield want to employ him then it's better than being unemployed. If he'd come out of prison and gone to work in Tesco's stacking shelves I doubt anyone would have been bothered.

I think its the perceived acceptance by the football club by putting him straight back into a quite high profile position, that he was in before the conviction, that's caused the furore.

I think people are saying 'footballers are role models for youngsters and see this acceptance and think that its okay' etc.

I don't necessarily agree but I can understand both viewpoints.

[leclerc]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

What would you like him to do now he has served his time ?

Are there professions which you think are appropriate for ex convicts ? Would he be ok to play non league ?

Would you prefer he died ?

If you think the justice system was lenient that's not his fault. If Sheffield United are wrong to take him that's fine but this campaign to harass and harangue borders on vigilante justice which doesn't work too well http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...pher-jefferies

M1

Show remorse for his victim would have been one of those things. Ex cons going back into the game is not my issue. My team, Cambridge United, had a player who had served his time for Manslaughter about 10 years ago.

Players have been to jail and come back out. However, this person was convicted of rape against a woman, a sexual crime. Footballers are there to be role models and to uplift an unremorseful rapist(pending appeal I might add) to the status of role model is not right.

IF his case is overturned on appeal then he has no blemish to his name but IF it is found that he had a fair trial and was convicted by a panel of his peers then I stand by the above statement.

EDIT: M1 NEVER choose a case in which a man was arrested for the MURDER of a student and subsequently cleared without trial. Ched Evans was originally convicted of the offence and then the victim was continually named by friends of the defendant. I think Ched Evans may be finding that Karma is coming around again to bite him.


BTW: Who is paying for his appeal?

[mystery1]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

Many footballers are to$$ers and have done some pretty shoddy things.

If he is good at playing football and Sheffield want to employ him then it's better than being unemployed. If he'd come out of prison and gone to work in Tesco's stacking shelves I doubt anyone would have been bothered.

I think its the perceived acceptance by the football club by putting him straight back into a quite high profile position, that he was in before the conviction, that's caused the bandwagon.

I think people are saying 'footballers are role models for youngsters and see this acceptance and think that its okay' etc.

Sheffield United wasn't high profile.

We have to believe, for now, that he did it. This bandwagon is bad for more than just the vigilante angle. If his conviction is overturned what about the current victim then ?

However, he has done his time. I can see why the victim wouldn't want to be anywhere near him but the mob justice won't work.

M1

[Amethyst]

Re: Should Ched Evans be allowed to play football after sentence for rape?

Hopefully not but it's pretty powerful ( the mob and negative publicity bandwagon jumping malarky that is)