Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Council parking penalty

  • Share
  • Thread Tools
  • Display
  1. #1
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Red face Council parking penalty

    Hi there

    I have recently been fined for parking on a hard standing, this is over 50ft from the road which is double yellows. I had been parking there for 7/8 years as had been told it was university land.
    The council claim, "Your vehicle was parked in contravention of the double yellow lines restriction. While I note that the pavement is wide enough to park a vehicle on, other areas in the city are not of a similar size. Parking on the pavement is obstructive and inconvenient."
    "While I note that you have parked there since 2009 without incurring a Penalty Charge Notice. Whilst I note this information, it bears no relevance to the fact that your vehicle was in breach of a parking regulation, and I can only suggest at the time of parking on previous occasions, officers were not patrolling the area in question. Civil Enforcement Officers work different shifts and are assigned to different beats and as such are not able to patrol every road, every day.
    You also state that other vehicles were parked in front of the building without incurring a Penalty Charge Notice and have provided photograph evidence in respect of this. Having viewed your photographs of the other vehicles they are only showing the rear therefore it cannot be clarified whether they have been issued with a Penalty Charge or not. Irrespective of this I am unable to confirm any information regarding the issue of Penalty Charge Notices to other vehicles, but can state that Civil Enforcement Officers are trained to issue a Charge to any vehicle breaching restrictions."
    My issue being;
    1. That there are vehicles parked there daily, these are the same vehicles and are not ticketed.
    2. Being parked in a corner alcove with a 20ft space to the side for so called pedestrians/vehicles.
    3. This also being 70ft from a road.
    4. Daily, observe wardens walk past not ticketing other vehicles.
    My feeling is that, if it is a so called 'violation of the highway code' then all vehicles should be ticketed.
    I feel discriminated that the council are searching for any legal spill to prevent parking, with random tickets being issued.
    Is this something I can appeal or due to it being council I have to accept?
    Any advice/information would be most appreciated.
    Appologies if there was already a thread for this, due to learning difficulties I am unable to find the information.

    Thank you

  2. #2
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    I would like to add, if I am completely in the wrong then I will happily pay the fine, but it seems like they have manufactured a reason to stop people parking in that area.

    Thank you

  3. #3
    charitynjw's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    12,358
    Mentions
    659 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Hi Big Jay

    For these types of cases, have you tried PePiPoo?
    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=24
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

  4. #4
    ploddertom's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    3,814
    Mentions
    98 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    It might be better if we can see a picture.

    In practice Double Yellow Lines apply to the carriageway, pavement & verge (no matter how wide).

  5. #5
    charitynjw's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    12,358
    Mentions
    659 Post(s)
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

  6. #6
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Images taken by attendant with time/date.
    Red outline in plan view is van, blue outline other vehicles.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Plan view G map 1.jpg   Plan view G map 3 vehicle outline.jpg   Ports parking att image 1.png   Ports parking att image 2.png   Ports parking att image 3.png  

  7. #7
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Street view images from 2014 to 2016.
    Taken from Anglesea Rd and front of King Henry building.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Street view 2 front building Apr 2016.jpg   Street view from Anglesea Rd Oct 2016.png   Street view front building Apr 2016.jpg   Street view image 1 April 2016.jpg   Street view image 2 June 2014.jpg  

  8. #8
    ploddertom's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    3,814
    Mentions
    98 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    I would guess it is as I said previously although it may be worth asking the Uni for their take on it.

  9. #9
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    These are images of the area at the time.
    Also showing other cars parked in the area (blue outline in map image).
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Ports parking own im5.jpg   Ports parking 1.jpg   Ports parking own im2.jpg   Ports parking own im3.jpg   Ports parking own im4.jpg  

  10. #10
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Hi Ploddertom
    Thank you for responding.
    Does it make any difference if it is university property?
    I have tried Pepipoo, couldn't even navigate around the website, and couldn't post anything. Even trying to contact them is ridiculously complicated..'frustrating'

  11. #11
    ostell's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    2,637
    Mentions
    204 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    So is the land where the vn was parked the property of the university or is it council adopted?

  12. #12
    ploddertom's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    3,814
    Mentions
    98 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Not trying to be argumentative but it appears to me there is a designated parking area. The DYL cover the rest of the "plot" on the basis they include all areas up to where a building resides. It may pay to check the Traffic Management Order to see what was included when it was originally set up - these are usually held by the local Council. Have you also asked the Uni for their opinion?

  13. #13
    charitynjw's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    12,358
    Mentions
    659 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    This link re a Freedom of Information request may be of interest.
    It would appear that if there is a clear physical delineation between the highway & the area in question, you may have an argument.
    Not conclusive, but worth a try?
    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque..._parking_enfor
    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

  14. #14
    charitynjw's Avatar

    VIP Member



    Joined
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    12,358
    Mentions
    659 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    CAVEAT LECTOR

    This is only my opinion - "
    Opinions are made to be changed --or how is truth to be got at?" (Byron)

    You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
    Cohen, Herb

    There is danger when a man throws his tongue into high gear before he
    gets his brain a-going.
    Phelps, C. C.

    "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
    The last words of John Sedgwick

  15. #15
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Hi there
    My thinking being that the bollards at the front of the area signal a boundary (determining the end of the highway).
    And the kerb levels on the rear side of the building being pedestrianised (from Anglesea Road).

    I have attached some images of the other side of the building.

    After reading through the reports that you guys have suggested, it seems that it's a game of who can bamboozle who with the most legal jargon.
    My fear in regards to this, is that you can be fined/prosecuted for something you have no knowledge of, and unless you are highly academic you have to just accept it. Unfortunately for me I have Aspergers and have a complete lack of understanding of this type of thing.

  16. #16
    Big Jay's Avatar

    Junior Member



    Joined
    Oct 2017
    Posts
    8
    Mentions
    0 Post(s)

    Default Re: Council parking penalty

    Images from Anglesea Road.
    Red arrow indicates direction of image.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Anglesea Road image of kerb.jpg   Anglesea Road other side 1.jpg   Anglesea Road image with arrow.jpg  

Similar Threads

  1. Bus lane penalty charge notice north tyneside council
    By jabber786 in forum Motoring & Parking
    Replies: 1
    : 10th August 2017, 14:26:PM
  2. NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT, unpaid parking penalty , local council (EXCEL)
    By swansea jack in forum PPC's - Parking Charge Notices
    Replies: 2
    : 28th February 2017, 18:00:PM
  3. Replies: 0
    : 31st May 2016, 20:30:PM
  4. Replies: 7
    : 31st May 2012, 13:22:PM
  5. Bailiff and council's parking penalty
    By c1a1r1 in forum Bailiff Help ( Enforcement Officers / Agents )
    Replies: 2
    : 4th January 2012, 22:29:PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Contact Us



© Celame (UK) Ltd 2017
LegalBeagles® are DPA Registered No. ZA158014
LegalBeagles® is the trading name of CELAME (UK) LIMITED ( 09220332 )
Registered Address: 25 Moorgate, London, England, EC2R 6AY
VAT registration number 206 9740 02
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.3 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Celame (UK) Ltd Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3
Copyright © 2017 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.

To find out more about managing your money and getting free advice, visit the Money Advice Service,an independent service set up to help people manage their money.

TOP