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  • Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

    Hello there,

    My apologies in advance, as this post may well be a bit long. Despite trying to craft an abridged version. So please bear with me.

    I have recently been dismissed for Gross Misconduct on the grounds that I failed to safeguard company funds resulting in loss of income by theft. Principally this was as a senior member of my team had engaged in acts of dishonesty which it was felt that I should have noted during the 7 months I was their manager.

    After 8 months of investigations a hearing was eventually scheduled while I was off work after suffering a mental and emotional breakdown due to the protracted, biased investigation process. I raised a grievance against the process and the one-sided approach that was applied during the stages of the investigation, but this was never looked into, i raised a second grievance to the head of HR against the tactics used during the process and the lack of response to my original grievance; including, but not limited to interviewing me alone (without a minute taker) for 5 hours during the worst period of my breakdown and recording it electronically on the proviso that I would be given a copy that it then refusing to supply me with the recording or notes from that meeting to corroborate what was said) - so effectively a breach of the DPA. I also raised concerns that my new manager had a conflict of interest, I knew them from the sector and had been informed from their previous employer some time ago and they were dismissed for bullying, intimidation and religious discrimination. I held a role which required regular partnership meetings with this employer and as soon as this was known, a campaign of subtle bullying began, including removing me from my own private office in front of my staff team and making me sit in the equivalent of a typing pool. Discrediting me, referring to me as "girl" and removing any autonomy I had about how I conducted my working day, or how I managed my portfolio.

    I submitted 2 months of sick notes, but the hearing was rescheduled in my absence, even though my manager had been informed that I was in the throws of a mental breakdown and told that they had consent to call my GP to confirm. The letter said Thursday the 19th December, but Thursday was in in fact the 20th. I turned up, unaware of the error due in part to the medications effects and the sheer panic of having a days notice and was informed that i was dismissed the day previously.

    I submitted a very basic appeal due to my ongoing ill health, and the appeal hearing was scheduled for January. I then receive a letter inviting me to a grievance investigation meeting for the grievance I submitted. I informed the IM that my ill health and medication meant I couldn't drive and could we reschedule at my home address. This was the last I heard.

    HR then rescheduled my appeal hearing on two consecutive occasions, citing unavoidable reasons. Eventually, the appeal hearing took place and today, unsurprisingly, it was not upheld.

    The main reasons given were:

    They did not know I was off sick so reasonably expected me to attend the hearing (they had two sicknotes covering mid november to mid january and an email sent 3 days previously to say I was still off)

    They disputed My mitigation for not knowing the correct financial process (which was a new process) which was that I was trained and inducted by the person who had been covering my role during my secondment and maternity leave, this person was the same person who committed the acts of theft, so had obviously handed over a process that they devised to ensure that their activity was not identified. - The organisations rebuttal was that I was responsible for ensuring I was appropriately trained and that I should have questioned the induction ( which was overseen by my line manager who showed no concern)

    That I breached policy in regard to income processes, but this policy states that "periodic checks" should be completed by the manager or administrator. I was dismissed for this ( even though checks were performed, but financial audits were not and nor were they required by policy) however the administrator was not even disciplined despite admitting that she knew the policy and had worked in the same role for 6 years.

    Managing petty cash - I was again held accountable when the administrator lent a college money from petty cash, which states in policy that it will be treated as gross misconduct. I did not authorise this payment. The administrator also knew the previous covering manager (who reverted back to their substantive post on my return) was abusing petty cash in 2010 and failed to make a confidential report or inform anyone. No action was taken against the administrator, yet I was held fully accountable for their breaches of policy. They did not uphold my challenge on the disparate application of the disciplinary process.

    As I said, I recognise this is convoluted ( I missed out the fact that I was also going through a restructure and opted for redundancy and they accepted it, my last day of service was the day the hearing was heard and I received a payslip with my redundancy pay included - but no pay!)

    My question is, that on the basis of the difference of how I was treated compared to other staff who conducted the same breaches of policy, would I have a case for unfair dismissal?


    In advance, I would like to thank anyone who has managed to read this far, thank you for your patience.
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    Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

    Possibly - but you only have until next Monday to submit a claim! On this basis there simply isn't time to construct an argument by website - you must take legal advice and do so very quickly. No matter what the reason, it is highly unlikely that a tribunal will entertain a late claim.

    But very briefly, you cannot base a claim on different treatment - a tribunal will not consider any case other than your own. You need to concentrate on process - the fact that the hearing went ahead when you were absent due to an error on the employers part about the date. The fact that they made no attempt to discuss fitness for a hearing despite being given your GPs details (although that is weak - your GP should have provided a fit note stating you were unfit for hearings). Concentrate on the process for your dismissal - that is the only place where you will win a case.

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    • #3
      Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

      Thank you Eloise

      'kind of what I was inferring, the detail and background is largely irrelevant I suppose, but procedurally think they may be left wanting, their policy states that

      " where an employee is absent during a disciplinary process, the hearing will be rescheduled at least once, and medical opinion will be sought where the employee remains absent before proceeding"

      it also states

      " where an employee raises a grievance related to a disciplinary process, the process may be suspended to investigate the complaint, or if appropriate both my be dealt with concurrently" However my grievance was never investigated at all.

      I have an appointment with a solicitor on Wednesday. I was aware of the three month limit, so I have prepared my papers as much as possible, read up as much as possible (the book by Naomi Cunningham was particularly helpful) and now it's a case of the 51% probability! I certainly don't have the money to throw down the drain after this otherwise (although I did consider representing myself - but I don't think I could contain myself at the hearing)

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      • #4
        Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

        One thing that may also influence the solicitors opinion would be Polkey. From your description there does appear to be procedural error. But the basic case put by the employer may be substantial enough to support the finding if not the process.

        If you are thinking no win no fee, check very carefully what the position would be if you accepted a settlement. You could end up paying fees if you settle out of court.

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        • #5
          Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

          Thank you, once again.

          Thankfully the solicitor is through Unite. But that said, they could hypothetically decide I don't have a strong enough case to represent me.

          In terms of Polkey, are you referring to the fact that if it was that my previous employer followed a correct procedure, then the outcome would likely be the same? i.e I would be dismissed in any case.

          One of my points/concerns is that the outcome would likely have been different if a previous manager chaired the hearing. I have two previous managers, one which was my manager prior to my maternity leave and secondment, but left during the upper management restructure, and a second interim manager prior to when the dismissing manager came into post. Both the interim manager and the previous manager have provided statements that concur that face with the facts of the case they would have looked at the sanction of a final written warning, with training and development requirement. Which to me sounds reasonable. (Obviously that is retrospective, so anything other than dismissal sounds fair right now) Obviously these will go into the evidence bundle if deemed relevant. I don't want to play my hand unless it's going to be beneficial.

          Looking at the situation dispassionately and having chaired hearings myself, in a similar situation, would I have gone straight for dismissal on the tenuous evidence available? Probably not. However I am sure HR have had the case well sewn up in terms of law and statute so, it is likely that they assessed the risk involved and went for summary dismissal anyway.

          Perhaps I am over dramatising this, but it does feel almost poker-esque - dragging out the process of appeal, almost as if to ensure that time to bring a claim (and satisfy the requirement to resolve the issue through appeal) is at a premium. Discounting my legitimate grievance, preparing a case which involved more than one employee but only taking action against one individual. I realise that employment law is weighted in favor of employers, which could possibly indicate they are banking on polkey. Or it could mean that they would not necessarily want to go as far as an ET unless they had an absolute open and shut case. Which must be quite rare.

          I have heard from the Union branch manager that of the 12 ET's scheduled for the last year, they settled 8 in the months before the hearings. They settled more than that through conciliation and compromise agreements, upon receiving notice of an ET1. Obviously it makes better business sense to offer someone a "bung" than pay for a barrister and case management hours.

          Hmmm. Can I ask you a very black and white question. Based upon your limited knowledge of this situation. Would you consider that the case has enough merit to pursue?

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          • #6
            Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

            Originally posted by Pariah View Post
            Thank you, once again.

            Thankfully the solicitor is through Unite. But that said, they could hypothetically decide I don't have a strong enough case to represent me.

            In terms of Polkey, are you referring to the fact that if it was that my previous employer followed a correct procedure, then the outcome would likely be the same? i.e I would be dismissed in any case. Based on what you have said, dismissal was potentially an outcome - not quite but nearly the same thing. Dismissal wouldn't be "off the wall". So yes.

            One of my points/concerns is that the outcome would likely have been different if a previous manager chaired the hearing. I have two previous managers, one which was my manager prior to my maternity leave and secondment, but left during the upper management restructure, and a second interim manager prior to when the dismissing manager came into post. Both the interim manager and the previous manager have provided statements that concur that face with the facts of the case they would have looked at the sanction of a final written warning, with training and development requirement. Which to me sounds reasonable. (Obviously that is retrospective, so anything other than dismissal sounds fair right now) Obviously these will go into the evidence bundle if deemed relevant. I don't want to play my hand unless it's going to be beneficial. Not relevant. What another manager might have decided cannot be evidenced - they were not there, have only heard part of the story, and don't have the same facts - and even if it could be - they aren't the deciding manager so it doesn't matter.

            Looking at the situation dispassionately and having chaired hearings myself, in a similar situation, would I have gone straight for dismissal on the tenuous evidence available? Probably not. However I am sure HR have had the case well sewn up in terms of law and statute so, it is likely that they assessed the risk involved and went for summary dismissal anyway. The test is whether dismissal is within the range of outcomes that a reasonable employer might come to. Not whether you or another specific individual would have decided the same thing.

            Perhaps I am over dramatising this, but it does feel almost poker-esque - dragging out the process of appeal, almost as if to ensure that time to bring a claim (and satisfy the requirement to resolve the issue through appeal) is at a premium. Discounting my legitimate grievance, preparing a case which involved more than one employee but only taking action against one individual. I realise that employment law is weighted in favor of employers, which could possibly indicate they are banking on polkey. Or it could mean that they would not necessarily want to go as far as an ET unless they had an absolute open and shut case. Which must be quite rare. Not nearly as rare as you would think - but I don't think this one is.

            I have heard from the Union branch manager that of the 12 ET's scheduled for the last year, they settled 8 in the months before the hearings. They settled more than that through conciliation and compromise agreements, upon receiving notice of an ET1. Obviously it makes better business sense to offer someone a "bung" than pay for a barrister and case management hours. For now possibly - but things are beginning to change in that quarter.

            Hmmm. Can I ask you a very black and white question. Based upon your limited knowledge of this situation. Would you consider that the case has enough merit to pursue?
            It has merit in that I don't think it is vexatious - but whether it meets the required 51% I couldn't say based on just one side of the story and without considering all the evidence.

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            • #7
              Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

              Good Morning,

              I am back just to give you an update. The ET1 Has been drafted and submitted, but I doubt my employer has had the notices yet.

              Yesterday I received an email from a senior HR representative with a "without prejudice offer" of my redundancy pay a reference and a compromise agreement.

              Obviously I gave them this option in December, which they chose to refuse and dismissed me in my absence instead.

              I know that employers prefer finishing things off with clean lines, so should I use this as a starting point and ask the union to negotiate ( I would take the pay I have lost for the duration that they have dragged this out for and loss of benefits plus my redundancy pay)

              Any Advice would be much appreciated.

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              • #8
                Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

                When it comes to negotiations, advice on the ground is better than any amount of outside guessing. So talk to the union because they know exactly how far they can push things.

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                • #9
                  Re: Advice on disparate treatment - unfair dismissal

                  Thank You Eloise.

                  I have put it in the hands of the union and made a request for my redundancy pay, plus loss of earnings until the agreement is signed.

                  I will update my thread when I hear anything.

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