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  • Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is acceptable

    http://www.blog.rippedoffbritons.com/2011/06/neither-admit-nor-deny-wrongdoing-when.html


    Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing - when nobody is responsible, anything is acceptable



    One of the stellar successes of the internet has been the Massively Multiplayer Online Role-playing Games (MMORPG). Improved internet line speeds, enhanced graphics, thick clients, multiprocessors, and games like “World of Warcraft” have contributed to multiverses of fantasy and mayhem that suck millions of people and billions of productive hours out of the real world. The great attraction of these virtual worlds is that you can take on a new incarnation. You can be what you’re not, dare what you don’t, and smoke in public places. In these worlds you are Super Sized in every way – weapons, skills, appendages - and create the sort of mayhem you only see in the movies. Perhaps the greatest attraction of these virtual worlds is that you take no responsibility for what you do. You can be reckless, you can be stupid, you can be really really bad (the sort of thing even your own mum wouldn’t forgive), and there is no comeback. Burn a village or two; kick a goblin when he is down; type really rude words that you saw someone else type. You are immortal – get “killed”, and you are back in action within seconds. And when you’ve had enough for the day, you just brush your teeth (unless you’re really pumped up with adrenalised recklessness), rub on your creams, and snuggle up in bed to dream about tomorrow’s mayhem.


    A world where you can get away with what you like, destroy, lie, cheat, steal, and have to take no responsibility. Who would have thought it could be possible!


    “Bank of America Corp., the No. 3 U.S. bank, was fined a record $10 million by the Securities and Exchange Commission because it lied to the regulator during a probe into trading by the bank and a former employee…….[Bank of America] neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing, and neither the bank nor the SEC named the employee whose records were at issue.


    Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $102 million to end an investigation in Massachusetts into unfair lending practices….Under the terms of the settlement, Morgan Stanley admitted to no wrongdoing.”


    “JPMorgan Chase has agreed to pay US$153.6 million (£95 million) to settle civil fraud charges that it misled buyers of complex mortgage investments just as the housing market was collapsing. JP Morgan did not admit any wrongdoing.”


    Goldman Sachs to Pay Record $550 Million to Settle SEC Charges Related to Subprime Mortgage CDOGoldman agreed to settle the SEC's charges without admitting or denying the allegations.”





    Britain has always relied on the US to impose penalties on companies. FSA fines over the last 10 years have been such a piddling amount that placed on a graph next to bonuses paid to bankers you can hardly see them. (Use the zoom on your browser – at least in 2009 and 2010 they are just about visible). As a cost and deterrent to banks these amounts are less than irrelevant.



    The USA is much more into headline grabbing fines, running into hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars. Forbes Magazine’s report in 2004 lists billions of dollars in penalties on Wall Street firms over successive years, with most of the culprits allowed to leave the court without any admission of wrongdoing. The same firms subsequently led the world into the dodgy deals and misselling that landed us in the financial crises of today.




    Taking money from a Wall Street firm is like taking a cup of water from a river. The river has plenty of water, and flows on regardless. The big names dip into their pockets several times a year to pay fines for their misbehaviour, regarding it as just another overhead like their electricity bill. They see regulatory fines as no more reason to stop thieving than the electricity bill is a reason to switch off the lights.


    Nobody would know this better than an accountant, as was stated by a senior KPMG executive in evidence to the US Senate:


    “Based upon our analysis of the applicable penalty sections, we conclude that the penalties would be no greater than $14,000 per $100,000 in KPMG fees”… “For example, our average [OPIS] deal would result in KPMG fees of $360,000 with a maximum penalty exposure of only $31,000.”


    Commenting on a deal done by the SEC with Barclays involving a US$298 million fine with no admission of wrongdoing, US District Judge Emmet Sullivan said:


    “The public has very little confidence in white-collar crime prosecutions. It’s proceedings like these [that raise questions about] fairness and justice. Why are the financial institutions being treated like this? People plead guilty to criminal conduct. This bank isn’t being asked to do that,” …..“If other banks saw that the government was being rough and tough and that bank executives had to stand before a judge and plead guilty, it might be a powerful deterrent,”
    US District Judge Emmet Sullivan, August 2010.


    Punishment is only effective if it deprives the offender of something to the point of discomfort. Depriving Wall Street and the City of London financial firms of money is no deterrent. The overly endowed Masters of the Universe have only one thing of the same quantity as everyone else. Time. The only thing that can be taken from them that they would miss is their time – spent in jail.





    Humanity has tended to follow its worst tendencies, and use the justification that “everyone else is doing it” to make it acceptable. The way we explain away the monstrous things that were done by our ancestors is that they were par for the course in those days. By the codes and morals of the time, such things were “not wrong”, therefore we should not condemn those people. Until 1865, “Liberty or Death!” Americans singing about the “land of the free” thought it reasonable to kidnap, buy and sell fellow humans. Slavery was abolished in the USA in 1865, but it took another hundred years until 1965 for the “Jim Crow equal but separate” laws to be struck down. Laws by which racism such as segregation in public places could be made a legal requirement in the USA.


    History will say that the codes and morals of our times meant it was quite acceptable to rip off ordinary people. After all, acceptable behaviour is acceptable because it is accepted, not because it is right. Allowing the big financial companies to get away without accepting guilt shows a doorway to many other industries. Engineers know they are smarter and more deserving of reward than bankers, and saw that bankers got away scot-free with their rip-offs. Betting that the profits they could make by some well targeted mischief would richly outweigh the penalties – confident that they would never have to admit wrongdoing and serve jailtime – corporate executives from all industries ripped-off, paid-up, and ripped again.


    We see it again and again. Software, pharmaceuticals, aerospace. Suppressed competition; overcharging; cartels; bribery. Retribution is limited to cash fines, paid by the company from profits ripped out of us.


    In the words of the US Judge, complaining to a government prosecuting lawyer who was complicit in keeping named individuals out of a case: “You agree there must have been some human being who violated U.S. laws?”


    Polonius’ advice to Laertes (Shakespeare’s Hamlet):
    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.


    Justice system’s advice to corporate swindlers:
    Neither admit nor deny doing wrong;
    For admission may require us to take unpleasant action,
    And denial would leave a rather strong pong.
    "Although scalar fields are Lorentz scalars, they may transform nontrivially under other symmetries, such as flavour or isospin. For example, the pion is invariant under the restricted Lorentz group, but is an isospin triplet (meaning it transforms like a three component vector under the SU(2) isospin symmetry). Furthermore, it picks up a negative phase under parity inversion, so it transforms nontrivially under the full Lorentz group; such particles are called pseudoscalar rather than scalar. Most mesons are pseudoscalar particles." (finally explained to a captivated Celestine by Professor Brian Cox on Wednesday 27th June 2012 )

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    Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

    Thank you Cel for this article. What about those people who have been affected by Morgan Stanley's sub-prime lending on this side of the pond? Will they get any recompense? I guess we will have to wait and see..........

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      Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

      Originally posted by Celestine View Post
      The great attraction of these virtual worlds is that you can take on a new incarnation. You can be what you’re not, dare what you don’t, and smoke in public places. In these worlds you are Super Sized in every way – weapons, skills, appendages - and create the sort of mayhem you only see in the movies. Perhaps the greatest attraction of these virtual worlds is that you take no responsibility for what you do. You can be reckless, you can be stupid, you can be really really bad (the sort of thing even your own mum wouldn’t forgive), and there is no comeback. Burn a village or two; kick a goblin when he is down; type really rude words that you saw someone else type. You are immortal – get “killed”, and you are back in action within seconds. And when you’ve had enough for the day, you just brush your teeth (unless you’re really pumped up with adrenalised recklessness), rub on your creams, and snuggle up in bed to dream about tomorrow’s mayhem.

      A world where you can get away with what you like, destroy, lie, cheat, steal, and have to take no responsibility. Who would have thought it could be possible!
      Internet forums are also often used for the purposes described above, I can think of some examples...

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      • #4
        Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

        How often do you hear 'sorry' come out of any correspondence from a bank that has done wrong. Nope - its more a case of 'as a gesture of goodwill' but will not admit we did anything wrong!

        The Cyber world of the internet......

        Its a bit like spending on a credit card, its does not feel like 'really' money.

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        • #5
          Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

          Originally posted by Ruby View Post
          How often do you hear 'sorry' come out of any correspondence from a bank that has done wrong. Nope - its more a case of 'as a gesture of goodwill' but will not admit we did anything wrong!

          The Cyber world of the internet......

          Its a bit like spending on a credit card, its does not feel like 'really' money.
          It isn't real money, at least not for the banks! They don't actually lend you any of their own money, all they do is make an entry on a database giving you a certain amount of credit. The banks 'make' their own money as debt, then charge you REAL interest on it, that's how they make their huge profits (on the retail banking side) and why they can pay those ob$cene bonu$e$! :rant: :rant: :rant:

          Of course for us mere mortals the money we repay is real, it comes out of our own pockets and with every payment made towards a debt, we are depriving ourselves of something or other while contributing to the huge salaries and bonu$e$ paid to the bankers and shareholder's profits. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

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            Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

            Originally posted by FlamingParrot View Post
            It isn't real money, at least not for the banks! They don't actually lend you any of their own money, all they do is make an entry on a database giving you a certain amount of credit. The banks 'make' their own money as debt, then charge you REAL interest on it, that's how they make their huge profits (on the retail banking side) and why they can pay those ob$cene bonu$e$! :rant: :rant: :rant:

            Of course for us mere mortals the money we repay is real, it comes out of our own pockets and with every payment made towards a debt, we are depriving ourselves of something or other while contributing to the huge salaries and bonu$e$ paid to the bankers and shareholder's profits. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
            Yes - for a start you don't borrow money, you buy it and punters should be treated with more honesty and respect, not as marks.

            FP - you have put your finger on it - this is a massive conjuring trick. Illusory money is conjured out of thin air so that a few very greedy people can live absurdly wasteful (and by the way extremely unfulfilling) lives - apparently at the expense of those who struggle to survive. As such conjuring is possible then why isn't it also used to magic resources into the areas where they are needed? Contrary to received wisdom, there's quite enough to go around.

            We are hypnotised by this system and those whose interests are vested in it and need to wake up.:crazy:

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              Re: Neither admit nor deny wrongdoing, when nobody is responsible, anything is accept

              Originally posted by MissFM View Post
              Yes - for a start you don't borrow money, you buy it and punters should be treated with more honesty and respect, not as marks.

              FP - you have put your finger on it - this is a massive conjuring trick. Illusory money is conjured out of thin air so that a few very greedy people can live absurdly wasteful (and by the way extremely unfulfilling) lives - apparently at the expense of those who struggle to survive. As such conjuring is possible then why isn't it also used to magic resources into the areas where they are needed? Contrary to received wisdom, there's quite enough to go around.
              The whole idea is for the Cho$€n Few to take advantage of the rest. If everybody had access to the available resources, there would be no cheap labour or cheap food produced in poor countries.
              Originally posted by MissFM View Post
              We are hypnotised by this system and those whose interests are vested in it and need to wake up.:crazy:
              That's what we're here for! :grin:

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